Cinnamon and touchscreen: The 3d input!

[Brahim Salem]

A extension would require a lot more work than just adding a few buttons: you'd effectively be building a new interface layer to sit on top of the old one! Think of what you'd have to cover:
Launching applications
Resizing windows
Switching between applications
Multiple desktops?
Dialogue windows
Alerts and notifications
...etc

These would have to adapet to a range fo different form factors and resolutions, from a 7" tablet upwards, portrait and landscape.
There's a lot more to it than just making a launcher with some buttons on it.

Besides, if you hate Windows 8 and don't like Unity, why do you want Mint to do the same thing? Probably better if you come back once you have some designs or a sketch of what you want or something.

Touchscreens can enhance productivity: The screen is input and output, what makes it very interesting because less hardware is needed. With the same screen you can replace a mouse, but also a keyboard. The multifunctional behavior is very interesting to use a touch screen. The actions are more natural then for example with a mouse. You can point directly to something, while with a mouse you have to move the cursor, so you waste a small amount of time


I have basic concepts about integrating both interfaces: desktop + touchscreen GUI:

1- One hot corner to toggle the touchscreen on/ off (when you finish serious work you don't need to switch devices just toggle on your touchscreen GUI and have fun/ for Samriggs; you can test your games on Cinnamon too )

2-- use something like the classical gnome-shell overview extension which, when prompted, autohides the bottom panel

3- the hot corner interface which I would call "Mintouch" would have it's ownht corners too, if possible of course..

4- Even the desktop can be toggled on/off from a tthe "Mintouch" settings box



the output is something like this:

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Thus Cinnamon would integrate the following: 1- media center
2- conventional desktop
3- touchscreen

and everyone is happy and every other OS is dead forever and me and the Mint team would be making lots of bucks


See my friends nothing is getting in the way



the second alternative is to enhance cinnamon with touchscreen while maintaining the same interface! how is that? I've seen a conventional Russian desktop on a documentary that runs a touchscreen-enhanced conventional desktop! You can close windows, move them and launching apps with your fingers while using a classical DE

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What do you think guys! Great idea ain't it

[dee.]

Touchscreens can enhance productivity: The screen is input and output, what makes it very interesting because less hardware is needed. With the same screen you can replace a mouse, but also a keyboard.

Like I said earlier, that exactly is the problem: the same surface as the input and output. That works fine for tablets that are around 1/4 the size of a regular desktop screen, but when you go up to 20" screens and higher, it simply stops working.

Like I said earlier: it's a problem with no solution - either you have the screen on your lap and have to constantly arch your neck down to see, hurting your neck, or - the input system is on the level of your eyes, making your neck fine, but then your arms will be killing you. Go ahead and try it, try keeping your arms up with no support for more than 5 minutes. You'll be surprised how quickly this wears you out. Now imagine having to use your desktop computer that way.

The multifunctional behavior is very interesting to use a touch screen. The actions are more natural then for example with a mouse. You can point directly to something, while with a mouse you have to move the cursor, so you waste a small amount of time

That assumption again simply doesn't scale up. It's true for very small devices, but not true for larger ones. When your screen is large, having to move your finger around takes a lot more time than tiny nudges on the mouse, which translate to larger movements on the screen. Using the mouse is also much more accurate, because your fingertip is around 10-15mm in diameter, and that means that all buttons have to be that size. Every time I try browsing the web on my phone with a tiny screen, I get frustrated when there are several text links next to each other - it's plain impossible to hit the one you want accurately. I end up having to zoom in just to hit the right link. Now imagine having to constantly do this on your desktop computer.

Thus Cinnamon would integrate the following: 1- media center
2- conventional desktop
3- touchscreen

and everyone is happy and every other OS is dead forever and me and the Mint team would be making lots of bucks

See my friends nothing is getting in the way[/size][/b]

Even if you can make it in a way where the touch interface is entirely optional and doesn't otherwise get in the way of using the desktop interface, there's still a problem with this: where do you get the extra developers + extra resources for first implementing all this, doing all the coding, artwork and design etc., then also testing (to make sure it works on all supported platforms), and maintaining (to make sure it doesn't break down down the line and stays compatible with changes made in the rest of the software stack)? And keep in mind that the last two of these (testing and maintaining) are literally endless tasks: you can't just do them and be done with it, you need constant manpower (or womanpower, as the case may be) and resources to dedicate to them.

Unless you can solve this very practical issue, there's not much point in speculating on different kinds of interface options for Cinnamon. And if you can come up with the resources, then it raises the question, why not do it yourself? You could even do your own fork or branch of Cinnamon and maintain it in your own ppa so people who wanted the functionality could get it, and I'm sure the Cinnamon team would co-operate with you, at least insofar as it wouldn't interfere with their other work - you'd probably at least get notification of changes they're going to make so you could prepare for them in your downstream fork.

[Brahim Salem]

Unless you can solve this very practical issue, there's not much point in speculating on different kinds of interface options for Cinnamon. And if you can come up with the resources, then it raises the question, why not do it yourself? You could even do your own fork or branch of Cinnamon and maintain it in your own ppa so people who wanted the functionality could get it, and I'm sure the Cinnamon team would co-operate with you, at least insofar as it wouldn't interfere with their other work - you'd probably at least get notification of changes they're going to make so you could prepare for them in your downstream fork.

1- What if they ditch other DEs like KDE and xfce and include "Mintouch" only on LTS releases which come out every few years and thus encouraging users to use LTS releases while the developers can take their time developing Cinnamon xfce and KDE are complete desktops and they don't need any development anymore and they are useless anyway

2- What if they launch a new project called" Linux Mint Ultimate Edition" , "LMUE", which would be an LTS release like this one here [url]http://community.linuxmint.com/idea/view/3505[/url]. That means they will have plenty of time developing iand testing it. I guarantee that LMUE would kill every other OS

I call that resources management bro Linux Mint needs to takes daring measures to get to the next level man!

[dee.]

Unless you can solve this very practical issue, there's not much point in speculating on different kinds of interface options for Cinnamon. And if you can come up with the resources, then it raises the question, why not do it yourself? You could even do your own fork or branch of Cinnamon and maintain it in your own ppa so people who wanted the functionality could get it, and I'm sure the Cinnamon team would co-operate with you, at least insofar as it wouldn't interfere with their other work - you'd probably at least get notification of changes they're going to make so you could prepare for them in your downstream fork.

What if they ditch other DEs like KDE and xfce and include "Mintouch" only on LTS releases which come out every few years and thus encouraging users to use LTS releases while the developers can take their time developing Cinnamon xfce and KDE are complete desktops and they don't need any development anymore and they are useless anyway

Xfce and KDE are not developed by the Mint team or anyone involved with Mint in the first place, so there are no resources to divert in that area.

Also, you're entirely wrong that "Xfce and KDE don't need development", that's exactly what I was saying in my last post (maybe you didn't read it very well). Writing software is not a one-time thing where you do it and then it's done. It may have worked that way in the early 90s, before the web: at that time developers could get away with releasing a new version once every 3 years, but these days, users expect that software stays up to date - new security threats are found constantly, and for a fundamental part of the system such as the desktop, it's absolutely imperative that it stays up to date, at least enough that it won't be full of security holes or bugs.

Besides, that kind of defeats your entire promise that "no desktops were harmed in making of this touch thingy": if you have to kill two DEs - ones that people actually use, they wouldn't offer those versions if no one were using them - to make this touch thingy of yours, then what's the point? Xfce and KDE may seem useless to you if you don't use them, but I guarantee your touch interface thing feels just as useless to a whole lot of Mint users (probably the majority, as they wouldn't be using Mint if they wanted touch interfaces), so why should the Mint team make all those people angry just to satisfy your wishes?

[Brahim Salem]

I do agree with what you are saying Dee if they want one of these DEs they can just install them and they'll be as happy as before. Actually, they can keep them if they will be including Mintouch on LTSes only These DEs were used before because they are fast but Cinnamon now is faster than most of them, Mind you I have an old PC running Mint xfce and when Mint 16 RC was out I replaced the Mint 113 xfce with Mint 16 Cinnamon and they results were fantastic! Cinnamon is twice as fast Touchscreen is the future man. The rule is simple "develop or die" if we don't embrace modern technologies we will be left with something like this for Cinnamon in the future [url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s7.postimg.org/wlivbdf5z/th_down2.gif[/img][/url]


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while the next homo sapiens would be using something like this [url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s7.postimg.org/wlivbdf5z/th_down2.gif[/img][/url]


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that's pure science my friend and it's called "evolution" and more pricisely"Technological Darwinism"!! read this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_evolution[/url] and this [url]http://readwrite.com/2011/12/29/redux_what_technology_wants_kevin_kellys_theory_of_evolu#awesm=~oo9McuVmMalG17[/url]


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That's how the "technium" works guys [url]http://www.touchscreencomputers.co.uk/haptics.html[/url]

I suggest we make a vote and see for yourselves what happens

[samriggs]

You keep showing images of the OS you despise and want mint to make something similar (Windows .
Here's a thought for you, lets say they give into your idea, all the developers, artist, theme makers etc leave for kde or xfce again like when gnome 3 and unity came out because they don't want that bloat and will never use it so they will get the system that doesn't have it (me included).
We don't want it or need it, that's why we have phones and tablets, there is already a ton of them out there, no need for another one and they work fine.
Here is an experiment for you, let's say they give in to your idea, it goes on tablet with touch screen like unity, now try and make a theme for it with portrait and landscape orientation and make it also compatible with the normal desktop, how would you go about doing that?
How would you also program the root cinnamon files to even let a themer make a theme that would do all this?
What about the resizing, layout measurements etc.... If you ever made a live wallpaper for android you would know how much of a headache this really is and then add a normal desktop into the mix on top of it all.
Mint is for production and that's why most of us use it, their is enough toys out there that have touchscreen already, why ruin a good thing and chase everyone away, if you think it would bring more folks to mint then that would of already happened with unity, gnome3 and windblows 8 but the opposite happened instead, more people fled all three of those for the normal old fashion desktop instead (that's why mint is number 1 now instead of unity/ubuntu), adding bloat will only drive us away, no if's and or buts about it.
Me I would go to KDE in a heartbeat and already have solydk installed on my 32 bit machine to do some artwork for them because kde is a good desktop environment, I just like cinnamon better for my production workstation, like I said if you want an all in one machine there's unity, windblows, gnome and all three have driven folks away rather then to them.
It's a lost cause because if it happens I can pretty much guarantee most of us would be installing xfce or kde the next day.
Sam

[Brahim Salem]

I would never run a Microslop Windblows on my machine no matter what! For me being a mess is part of Windblows no matter what release but I think the Metro interface looks good and handy! Unity is more productive than Windows 8 but both fall behind Cinnamon in terms of productivity and stability I'd agree on that! but touchscreen is going to invade us man sooner or later! many of my customers ask me if Cinnamon runs on tablets! some people love it and want to run it on their tablets just like you want to use it for making games and themes But hey guys don't hate me for this. I'm only suggesting I think Clem and the team can do magic when it comes to coding and all and if you read my post above I suggested it for LTS releases that's all! What if they ask you during installation whether you want this feature or not depending on your needs. That would be more democratic. How is that

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[samriggs]

Again nope nope and more nopes
the only way I could see that working is if they did what apple did which was brilliant, leave the desktop and make a separate one for tablets instead, but then that would take a separate team just to make it instead because it would be a totally different interface then it is for the desktop, having an all in one where more things can go wrong and too many compromises would have to come into play to make it all work together would only make another unity or gnome 3.
Mint works and if it ain't broke why fix it, again the proof is in the pudding, how many left unity and gnome 3 because they did this very thing? How many left Windows because of this same thing?
Again productivity works for mint better then unity or gnome 3 unless you absolutely like it anyone using it for productivity want speed and nothing blocking the way and yes a desktop to drop stuff on to when needed without searching for things, the desktop works for this, the tablet does not it is as simple as that.
Folks might love cinnamon but to have it work for both would mean another interface like the 3 that lost so many users because of it.
Even every window user I know refuses to use windows 8 and have bought only computers with windows 7 on it for productivity purposes, programmers, themers, artist, web developers don't want a toy to do their work on, they have no use for it whatsoever when it comes to using their system as a work station, they want what works which is what it is now.
Again this would also mean more work for the team and their already using all the time they have to make mint as perfect as they can make it, if you ever programmed you would understand just how much time is involved in creating a piece of software (it takes a lot of time) and bug hunting is a big part of that.
Again if they want an all in one, they already have it in unity, gnome 3 windblows 8 if they want a tablet you also got android and ipad.
You could try and find a team of developers that would take mint and make a tablet format if you want who would work for free (good luck with it)
We don't hate you for your suggestion, it's just already been done three times and all have lost a huge user base because of it and most love mint because it is not this very thing your suggesting and like most said here if it did become another all in one, they would leave, me included.

[Brahim Salem]

That's orthodox, conservative and right-wing politics

[clfarron4]

My thoughts on using touchscreen interfaces on Linux is simple: Use GNOME Shell, Unity or KDE. They work, and the first two are designed for it (even if GNOME developers deny it).

The development required to get touchscreen input working with Cinnamon is one thing, the development required to get it working, functional AND intuitive to use is on a completely different level. You might as well fork Cinnamon and completely re-do it for touch.

[Brahim Salem]

My thoughts on using touchscreen interfaces on Linux is simple: Use GNOME Shell, Unity or KDE. They work, and the first two are designed for it (even if GNOME developers deny it).

The development required to get touchscreen input working with Cinnamon is one thing, the development required to get it working, functional AND intuitive to use is on a completely different level. You might as well fork Cinnamon and completely re-do it for touch.

Yes clfarron4 you are right Cinnamon needs to get to the next level It needs to evolve from "Cinnamus neanderthalensis" to "Cinnamus Sapiens" that's how the technium works

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BTW does MInt kde support touchscreen???

[dee.]

I do agree with what you are saying Dee if they want one of these DEs they can just install them and they'll be as happy as before.

No, you don't, and you don't understand what I'm saying.

Read this carefully now: Xfce and KDE are not developed by the Mint team, or the Cinnamon team. They have their own development teams that have nothing to do with Mint. Mint only packages versions of Mint that come with those desktops, because some people want to use them as a default desktop instead of Cinnamon or MATE. However the Cinnamon team has nothing to do with even the packaging of those desktops, so ending those versions would not accomplish anything, it would not give more resources for Cinnamon, it would only result in a lot of people getting angry and abandoning Mint for something that does offer the desktops they want.

Actually, they can keep them if they will be including Mintouch on LTSes only These DEs were used before because they are fast but Cinnamon now is faster than most of them,

No, they were and are used because some people prefer them and like them more than Cinnamon, Mate, GNOME or LXDE/Razor-Qt.

There would be no point in including something for LTS only. That's never going to happen, for a simple reason: anything that is included on an LTS must be known to be absolutely reliable and stable. LTS is meant to be supported for 5 years, so anything included on even a single LTS version needs to be maintained for at least 5 years, and the development also needs to be continued for it to keep up with other developing technologies. For this, testing is also needed, and since Mint doesn't have enough resources to do large-scale inhouse testing, this means it also has to be included in non-LTS releases, to get proper feedback and bug reports from users.

Mind you I have an old PC running Mint xfce and when Mint 16 RC was out I replaced the Mint 113 xfce with Mint 16 Cinnamon and they results were fantastic! Cinnamon is twice as fast Touchscreen is the future man. The rule is simple "develop or die" [/color] [/size]if we don't embrace modern technologies we will be left with something like this for Cinnamon in the future

Touchscreens are fine for touch devices, but they're not going to happen on desktop computers, and Mint is a desktop/laptop OS. You're buying too much into marketing hype, it's not going to happen. Touch devices are not going to replace desktop computers for serious production use.

while the next homo sapiens would be using something like this

No, no one will ever be using a touch device for serious production use.

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The surface is a flop, they're not selling, and they certainly aren't going to replace desktop computers. No, we're not going to be using touch for everything in the future.

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Now this is just horrible. That might look "cool" and all in some media event or presentation, but do you think anyone is ever going to do any actual work on a thing like that? Not going to happen. Have you tried holding your arms up for 5 minutes yet?

that's pure science my friend and it's called "evolution" and more pricisely"Technological Darwinism"!! read this [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_evolution[/url] and this [url]http://readwrite.com/2011/12/29/redux_what_technology_wants_kevin_kellys_theory_of_evolu#awesm=~oo9McuVmMalG17[/url]

Technological evolution doesn't address touch screens at all. The evolution of technology means simply that the best solutions survive, those that are technologically superior, and that fulfill their purpose most efficiently. Touchscreens do not scale up well, and will never be useful on large screen desktop computers, to some extent, not even on laptops. Therefore they're not likely to succeed as a technology on that market area.

That's how the "technium" works guys [url]http://www.touchscreencomputers.co.uk/haptics.html[/url]

Haptics are a nice feature for phones and tablets, where it makes sense to use touchscreens in the first place (due to limited available space), but only a true fool thinks they're a substitute for a real keyboard on a desktop/laptop computer. Haptics are basically just "the phone/tablet vibrates when you tap a button": basically, it's a way to simulate physical feedback, but it's not the same as the real thing. Even Android 2.3 already implements haptics to some extent - when you tap and hold to move icons on the home screen, you get a slight vibration to let you know the icon is ready to move, that's basically a haptic.

Go look at any business, where people have to use computers to write long documents, do graphics/web/CAD design, audio/video editing, web development, programming etc. None of those things are done with touchscreens, even when the technology has been available for a long time now. There's a reason why they still use mouses and keyboards, and that is because they're still the most ergonomic input method available for production use.

I suggest we make a vote and see for yourselves what happens

That's not how it works... but by all means, post a vote on the forums, see what most users here think.

[Brahim Salem]

Poll is here Dee [url]http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=151080[/url]

Beat you

[InkKnife]

Beyond what has already been mentioned the problem extends beyond the desktop. How could you ever make a complicated psuedo-pro app like The GIMP work with touch or even a fairly complex end user oriented app like Banshee?
Touch is blunt, it is crude and above all it is imprecise. Look at the selection of apps for iOS or Android and you find all manner of little one trick ponies that lack the depth of even the simplest desktop application. Touch demands simplicity and requires that there be very few functions and features because of the clumsy interface.
Why would anyone want their desktop experience to be so reduced and dumbed down?

[samriggs]

That's orthodox, conservative and right-wing politics

nope just common sense, that's all, I have no issues with touchscreen whatsoever, I have two devices that use it, but not for productivity.
It is and will remain to be totally impracticable for any serious productivity and that's the point your totally missing here even though everyone has explained it over and over again with realistic examples of why it is impracticable to use in the real world, it just doesn't work for that end of it whatsoever and this is from people who use it in the real world for that purpose and have tried both and found the touchscreen totally useless and totally impracticable for any serious productivity whatsoever.
Never mind the time involved to create such a system, which would mean taking that time from making a stable great system for the desktop instead and the amount of bugs that would creep in from adding that to it.
Is touchscreen fun, yes for basic stuff and games, can you run a 3d program like blender and create 3d images or movies with a touchscreen, not on your life, that's just reality, can you do any serious artwork or program on a touchscreen, not on your life, it just doesn't work and is totally impracticable for such things, can you create a website with images, and all the code and use a ftp program like filezilla and create components for things like wordpress or joomla on a touchscreen, not without sending you to the looney attempting to do so. How about writing legal documents that take pages and pages at times? Nope again, it would drive the writer insane with the onscreen keyboard.
So wipe out all the productivity that would not work on a touchscreen and what do you have left?
Android, Ipad, or any thing you could do on a phone or a tablet, like email, sms, games, facebook, or visiting websites (hopefully they have a mobile compatible version of the site so you don't have to zoom in and hopefully not miss some of the other things they have on the website).
How about any serious sound editing program like Linux Multimedia Studio? better on touchscreen or desktop? how about video editing software?
The list goes on and on.
It just doesn't work on a touchscreen like it does on a desktop, that's the whole point here, you keep saying for us to move into the future with touchscreen, the fact is it doesn't work for productivity, it is as simple as that, it may be newer technology but it doesn't mean it is better for productivity, it is limited in it's use and good for what it is used for and nothing more.
If you think different then tells us a practical way to use any 3d program, art program, web development program, any IDE to program software in any language like python, C, C++, html5, php, mySql, java, xml, etc, writing a novel or any legal documents, etc with touchscreen?
Then tell us how you would go about themeing for screen orientation and how would you go about creating a simple theme with touchscreen without wanting to throw the system out the window and actually speeding up your time and making easier to use a touchscreen for all these productivity purposes?
We gave you examples and reasons why it is useless for these things, you haven't gave us any examples and reasons why it would be better to use touchscreen for these things?
If you think evolving means using touchscreen for all these things and more, tell us why with examples of how and why it would be better for us to switch?
It's the wave of the future doesn't cut it.
That's like walking into a business and saying we have new technology that's really cool we want you to use it in your business.
Ya ok, so what does it do?, how will it make it easier, faster, better and give me a reason why I should use it and switch from a system that works perfectly for all my purpose already?
Well it's the wave of the future, it's really cool, only stone age people would use your technology.
Ya ok so you still haven't answered my question.................................

[clfarron4]

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Yes clfarron4 you are right Cinnamon needs to get to the next level It needs to evolve from "Cinnamus neanderthalensis" to "Cinnamus Sapiens" that's how the technium works

To re-iterate what I said in my post: Use GNOME Shell, Unity or KDE. They work, and the first two are designed for it (even if GNOME developers deny it).

Just because I say that development is needed to get it working does not mean it is development that is good or useful for the target userbase. Look at GNOME. Even if you get a working desktop with touch support, will the userbase like it? Can you balance the needs of desktop users with those of the touchscreen users? Previous projects have shown us that the answer to this last question is "not very well".

BTW does MInt kde support touchscreen???

I know the KDE Desktop does work with touch-screen devices. That is all.

[Brahim Salem]

That's like walking into a business and saying we have new technology that's really cool we want you to use it in your business.
Ya ok, so what does it do?, how will it make it easier, faster, better and give me a reason why I should use it and switch from a system that works perfectly for all my purpose already?
Well it's the wave of the future, it's really cool, only stone age people would use your technology.

funny! But what about modern medicine? Doctors use touchscreen to carry surgeries don't they? It seems like touchscreen is the mainstream now But I do agree with you when it comes to productivity But Can't they find a compromise between the too! I mean something innovative that has never been implemented before? Is that technically possible? What if they find sponsors like Dell and HP to test the software? I think if they support Linux Mint they will increase they sells at least by third Mind you, Windowers love Cinnamon when I introduce them to it and they soon convert to Mint


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[MartyMint]

[samriggs]

But Can't they find a compromise between the too! I mean something innovative that has never been implemented before? Is that technically possible?

Like we said over and over again it's already been done in unity, gnome 3 and windblows 8
It's already been done, and it's lost a big user base in all 3 because of it.
You add touchscreen you just get another version of one of the 3 mentioned already, you get more bugs to dig out and fix, you take time away from making mint a better desktop, you add more bloat that for the most part most of us have no use for at all and will not use so we will leave to get our desktop back so we can work.
Your beating a dead horse here.
If you want touchscreen make a fork of mint and create one and see what happens, I highly doubt any member of the mint team will switch their time and efforts to make it, so you'll have to make it or find some developers to make it.

But what about modern medicine? Doctors use touchscreen to carry surgeries don't they? It seems like touchscreen is the mainstream now

Ya one field, which from what I seen personally is only for filling out patient forms (a very simple app to make for any tablet, from the ones I seen), at least the doctors I visited that used them, it was only to fill out a simple patient form (I am always nosey when it comes to computers and checked it out every time and talked to the doctors about it and they let me check it out, also some businesses use apps for inventory, timing stuff, etc which again is all simple apps that just use checkboxes and basic text fields or radio buttons which any beginning programmer can make, so no it's not as mainstream as it appears.
All serious work is still done on a desktop (including medical and businesses)

[Brahim Salem]

Sam is antitouchscreenist and there's no way to convince you