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Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby mr_raider on Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:10 pm

Which DE for fast performance

MAte, Cinnamon, KDE or XFCE?

Intel core 2 Duo e5200, 2gb of ddr2-RAM (1.8 useable)

Intel on board graphics, 200gb 7200rpm SATA 1 drive.


I'm leaning towards Mate 32 bit, but KDE can be pretty fast with all the effects diabled.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby Zorba on Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:11 pm

he lest goes as follows from the fastest to the slowest:

1- XFCE

2 Mate

3- Cinnamon

4- KDE
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby kc1di on Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:17 pm

IMHO,
XFCE then Mate the KDE then Cinnamon.

It too bad that Mint dropped LXDE because that was quite fast. I believe it can still be installed though.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby killer de bug on Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:04 am

I would also advise XFCE.
Manjaro and XFCE it's less than 250Mb in Ram ;)
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby shengchieh on Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:34 pm

Manjaro is a linux distro. It uses openbox window manager. Think ahead and decide if you want a window manager or a desktop environment - the latter is more complete desktop - the former is faster, but you need to configure more
if you want icons, etc.

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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby killer de bug on Thu Jun 05, 2014 1:42 am

shengchieh wrote:Manjaro is a linux distro. It uses openbox window manager.

Not only. There is also KDE and XFCE versions! http://manjaro.org/get-manjaro/
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby InkKnife on Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:33 pm

The difference between "light" DEs and "heavy" DEs is pretty small. Your hardware will run any DE just fine.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby AlanWalker on Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:49 am

kc1di wrote:It too bad that Mint dropped LXDE because that was quite fast. I believe it can still be installed though.

Yes, it can be.

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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby Flemur on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:46 am

Manjaro and XFCE it's less than 250Mb in Ram

Manjaro/fluxbox or Mint 16 XFCE/fluxbox are about 120MB, Mint slightly better.
Mint 17/Xfce/fluxbox/jackd no pulseaudio
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby mr_raider on Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:57 am

Flemur wrote:Manjaro and XFCE it's less than 250Mb in Ram

Manjaro/fluxbox or Mint 16 XFCE/fluxbox are about 120MB, Mint slightly better.


RAM useage is not the issue. It's CPU and GPU load for rendering effects. Were talking 6 year old Intel IGP here, that could baely support Vista Aero. Cinnamon seems to be the worst offender in hat respect. I tried a live CD of KDE and Mate. With effects disabled, KDE felt faser.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby woodsman on Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:31 pm

Which DE for fast performance

I have a T400 that has the same specs as you listed. I ran Cinnamon with no problem. I don't use KDE4 on that system much but have done so with another distro and KDE4 runs fine. I tested both 64-bit and 32-bit on that system and noticed no difference.

That said, I tend to stick with 32-bit because certain apps tend to be problematic in 64-bit, specifically anything that requires 32-bit libs. With 2GB on the system I have no need to push envelopes and a 32-bit OS is just fine. I don't do any heavy compiling on that system or serious number chrunching or video processing. My own criterion is I don't bother with 64-bit unless I have >=4GB RAM. A dual core CPU and 2 GB lets a 32-bit OS fly real fast.

Don't get too carried away with deciding. You will be fine. :)
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby InkKnife on Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:28 pm

If you turn off visual effects, Cinnamon is a heck of a lot less CPU intensive and still looks pretty nice. But MATE or xfce are splendid DEs, why not just try them all and choose the one you like best?
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby teatime on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:58 am

I would go with
1.) MATE
2.) Cinnamon
3.) XFCE

all three are light and do their job. However for former Gnome 2 users I would recommend MATE.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby fraxinus_63 on Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:54 am

I recommend MATE. Fully featured, bomb-proof, MATURE. Always there to help you without getting in your way. It'll work fine on your hardware.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby Jedinovice on Thu Jun 12, 2014 10:54 am

Eh? :? To my mind the wrong question is being asked. “What desktop enviornment for an old machine for speed?” is kinda meaningless – unless we're talking a Pentium 75, and/or you have a specific need for maximum speed.

The real question, I hold, is... what will the machine be used for? That and, how do you like to work?

I am a KDE fan. Arguably it is not the fastest GUI for Linux – though, yes, it has been dramatically optimised and once effects are turned off runs fine even on slower hardware. My wife is happily running Mint 13 KDE on a single core Atom n455 which benchmarks slower than a Pentium 3 and she is delighted with the sheer raw speed. No seriously. She raves about how fast it is. This is compared to a badly snarled up Windows machine mind.

For general office type operations you are not going to see much difference between an older machine and a new, faster one. I mean, how much power do you need these days to run a wordprocessor?

Proof:

When I was working in the WHITE HEAT of a Singapore based International school (18 hours a day, 7 days a weak much of it taken up with mindless paperwork with impossible deadlines) I had to work and work and work. My netbooks were vital to me in this tme. I had two I was using – my Atom and more a powerful Celeron.

Now, for processing tasks such as OCR or larger image processing, yeah, there was a big difference between the atom and the celeron. But for 90% of my work; producing documents, printing, web use, playing videos, creating presentations, producing more meaningless documents... the two machines ran at virtually the same rate. I actually standardised on the atom because it was smaller and had a much better touchpad. (The Acer Aspire One 756 - nice machine but ruddy awful touchpad!) The physical interface (touchpad) was more important to me than processing speed.

Note also: I use Kdeline for video editing quite a bit. I tested rendering time under KDE and then under LXDE on my Celeron recently. Absolutely no difference. Not one second was gained in render time using a lightweight GUI. (OK, with desktop effects on in KDE there is a big difference for everything but that's desktop effects on minimal hardware.)
I use KDE not for speed but because KDE works the way that I work. MATE does seem faster than KDE, I'll grant, especially on start up Mate loses me time in fiddling around in, what is for me, an unintuitive system. Conversely, KDE's keyboard shortcut assignment system was a life saver at the Singaporian school and now I can't live without it.

Now, I am not saying that MATE, or Cinnamon or LXDE or whatever are bad GUI's – it's just that KDE works in a way that _I_, personally, can understand. Others are different. But frankly, a P4 with 1GB of RAM will run any GUI really sans desktop effects and you're way beyond that. I am typing this on an 8 year old Turion laptop with 1.5GB of RAM. Oh look, it's running KDE and is quite fast enough.

So... you can run any GUI you like on your machine. Now you need to answer these questions:

1) What do you want to do with the machine?
2) What GUI suits your style of work? If you like KDE, go for it! Who cares about the occasional 1 second delay, maybe, between KDE and, say, Mate when running up GIMP?
3) Who will be using the machine? I assume you and, therefore, you can run what you like. But if you will have your grandparents running it then maybe you're better off just putting on Zorin and being done with it?

I tell ya, do not go for the fastest of the fast. It's far better to spend a little more time enjoying your Linux experience than gaining a seconds worth of processing but losing five minutes while you hunt down how to change a 'Start' menu item or find you have to install an app to change screen colours (if it matters to you – it does to me.)

Make the machine fun! Make it work for you and don't sweat the speed. Whatever you go for, the desktop enviornment will be faster than Windows and that's fast enough, and your hardware is far from minimal. A single core atom or an AMD C processor or a Pentium 4... those are minimal!

Enjoyment is better than optimisation. Hell, if optimisation was the source of all computing happiness we'd all run Gentoo or Sourceror! Have fun! :D
Mint KDE on: Atom n455 1GB RAM, Intel Celeron 877 2GB RAM and AMD Turion 1.5 GB.
Yeah, real cutting edge stuff yet I do complex video editing on these boxes. Howzat?
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby Goro Daimon on Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:40 am

1 - Mate
2 - XFCE

Mate is more complete.
teatime wrote:I would go with
1.) MATE
2.) Cinnamon
3.) XFCE

all three are light and do their job. However for former Gnome 2 users I would recommend MATE.

Cinnamon is a bad choice for old computers.
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Re: Recommend desktop environment for older machine

Postby mr_raider on Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:45 am

I installed KDE. Disable some of teh effects. Runs fine.
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