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Where are the T-shirts??

Postby Giftmatcher on Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:20 am

This distro has made me a born-again linux believer. Why don't we have a T-shirt? If they aren't interested in selling them. Think the guy that did the art would sign a release so I can get one or two printed for myself?
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Postby gcc on Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:45 am

They could come with mint-scented deodorant built right in. Now thats what I call ease of use.
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Postby Ede on Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:23 am

Sign a release? Why hassle with that? :3

I don't know the laws in your country, but generally, you can find anything on the internet, copyrightet or not, print it as much as you like, as long as you don't make a profit from it. This off course applies to t-shirts aswell.

But that was a nice idea btw. =) I think I will cut out the mint-logo or something and spray it on a t-shirt. Green spray on black t-shirt? :3
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Postby Giftmatcher on Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:47 am

Well the US is in the middle of an IP witchhunt. RIAA (a trade group that is trying to maintain the old model of music distrobution). Is sueing 12 year olds for downloading music and using hacker tactics to break into people's computers and search their personnel files without any legal provocation. Wal-mart won't let you use their copiers unless they see what you are duplicating - true story I got asked to leave for trying to copy a family photo from like 30 years ago. When I tried to explain that the photo was so freaking old that it was a matter of public record the brat called for her manager! I probably won't be able to get a t-shirt printed without a release. The mint logo's have the look of "corporate art" so the guy making em is going to want to cover himself legally. Those are worst case examples but I think it what things are like here atm.

Additionally, I have so much respect for the guys working on this project Id like their blessing before I started running around with stuff they sweated to make.
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Postby AlsaPhil on Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:54 am

Hi all,

We have found a producer for our T-shirts and wait for a precise attractive price proposition to order.
The idea was to wait our new identity before doing something as merchandising.
Now we have it!
Let's be still a little bit patient :wink:
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Postby Ede on Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:12 am

Yay! Official t-shirts are allways better than homebrew! :3 Go Mint-team! \o

Giftmatcher: Well, the RIAA have tried to tie up Norway too, but our laws state that it's not illegal to download anything, whatever it is, unless it's child pornography. That's pretty much the only thing that it's illegal to download. But, it's very very illegal to share copyrightet material. It's now also illegal to "help" or "direct" people to places where one can obtain illegal downloads. For instance, If i put a link to a copyrightet mp3 on my webpage, the cops will prolly confiscate my computer, even if the mp3 is on a remote location. This includes linking to torrent-files which contains illegal stuff.

Anyway.
I will encurage you to buy official t-shirts, but if you are going to print one yourself, just tell the brat that you designet the logo yourself.
Decorating yourself with mint-art is a sign of apreciation of good design. I'm pretty sure the designers would be happy. =) But bying official shirts allso helps the project financially, and that's just better. =)

Later, I'm going to make a stencil of the mint-logo and see how well it works to spray with. If it works like a charm, I might spray it onto my laptop, making it the laptop of awesomeness! >=3
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Postby RedJak on Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:38 am

Giftmatcher wrote:Well the US is in the middle of an IP witchhunt. RIAA (a trade group that is trying to maintain the old model of music distribution). Is sueing 12 year olds for downloading music and using hacker tactics to break into people's computers and search their personnel files without any legal provocation.


The RIAA only targets large digital Piracy ops, not occasional downloaders..
Additionally, the only hacker tactics used are by Piracy-Preventing DRMs like the ones Sony BMG used to embed into their CDs. *cough*keyloggers*cough*

As for the legal ramifications of printing out LM Artwork, I'd say that since it's under the GPL/other Artistic License, and isn't specifically Trademarked, and since you're not going to be selling them for profit (i hope), there shouldn't be anything wrong with it...

You probably would want permission, though. =\
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Postby Sorensei on Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:04 am

RedJak wrote:The RIAA only targets large digital Piracy ops, not occasional downloaders..

Er... the RIAA is known to sue wholesale, including grandmothers without a computer and dead people... :? So I wouldn't put anything beneath them by principle. :evil:
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Postby RedJak on Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:52 pm

Sorensei:
At school, my roommate and I were reprimanded for exceeding our bandwidth limit on the school's Wi-Fi network. My roommate was then taken to court and fined because they found a HUGE music collection (250+GB) on his school-owned computer and External drive, and more than enough blank CDs to store it all. The Pricing list he had posted above his desk didn't help either.

They saw my comp, with only about 5Gigs on it, and I was free to go.
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Postby Giftmatcher on Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:49 pm

This is probably going to offend you but your actually on the RIAA's side so you can't be human and that makes it okay.

"They saw my comp, with only about 5Gigs on it, and I was free to go."

Did they give you 30 pieces of silver too?
The RIAA shows no mercy! They freaking eat puppies. They have proposed legislation that would allow them to imprision someone for the remaineder of their life for a single copyright infringement if it is "life endangering" basicly: if your working in a hospital and you mistype your microsoft product key and get caught your life is over. They sue beyond the maximum extent of the law. The only possible way that you got off is you offered some sort of cooperation to them.

Lawyers acting reasonably? What planet did this happen?
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Postby Ede on Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:40 pm

Giftmatcher wrote:Lawyers acting reasonably? What planet did this happen?

Quoted for the win.

Seriously, RIAA has sued dead people, families without computers, 7 (YES, 7!!!!) year old girls, and so on. When they lose a case against someone, they tend to sue the next to kin.

RIAA's tactics in court are CRUEL. INHUMAN. It's pretty simple though, and unfortunatly, it works.

They sue someone, and they are forced to either get a lawyer, or settle with a huge amount of cash. If RIAA loses, they sue the next to kin, so the family is forced to pay more cash for lawyers. They continue untill the family is forced to succumb and pay the RIAA a huge sum. RIAA have money, consumers do not.
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Postby clem on Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:14 pm

If they can sue you for no reason and bankrupt you even without winning the case, since you're ###@@!! anyway... you may as well enjoy piracy as much as you can :)

I'm kidding of course, but it kinda makes sense though.. doesn't it? :)

When I rent a movie and I don't have time to watch it, I pirate it so I can watch it later. I buy Walt Disney movies because my daughter watches them over and over, but she tends to scratch them so I pirate them (I figure if I pay $60 for something that comes with no guarantee I can make sure I keep it safe). I "pirate" every single CD I buy, because apart from my alarm nothing reads CDs and I like to listen to my music with my iPod. I have no issue with watching a friend's movie in a friend's house.. although he's not legally allowed to "play it in front of other people". Lately I've even started ripping some of my daughter's movies into my iPod because it's pretty cool to have Lady and the Tramp or Bambi in a portable device for when I'm away from home and my daughter feels like watching them.... I don't know, I've become such a pirate, I should really be locked up! As a general rule I don't really care about legislation as long as what I do makes sense and is morally acceptable. As a nation we should expect and demand that our legislation reflects people's expectations and what they accept as morally acceptable. If a law doesn't reflect that and goes against people's expectations to "protect" some commercial lobby it deserved to be criticized and changed. Eventually it's down to each individual to decide which to choose between morality and legislation when both are not compatible. Morality tends to be universal... legislation is local, that should help people to make a choice.

It all started with people selling things that had no value... duplication, distribution of media, and now that anybody can replace them and cut them as the middle man they just don't know what to do. They have no business, they add nothing to the industry and now that technology doesn't protect them anymore they're using the law.

You shouldn't be afraid of them. People get what they want, always. Legislations are meant to reflect the needs of their society. They're taking advantage of the system but it's only a matter of time before people find that they go too far and demand changes in their own legislation.

The RIAA can sue you tomorrow? So what?? Anybody can sue you tomorrow.

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Postby Giftmatcher on Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:16 pm

They're taking advantage of the system but it's only a matter of time before people find that they go too far and demand changes in their own legislation.

--I don't know about you but my government is run by money grubbing whores. You can't get anything passed in America without buying Congressmen.

The RIAA isn't going to go away.

I do like your attitude though. To hell with em :)!
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Postby Ede on Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:07 am

Clem, would you hold a speech at my wedding? :3

Thankfully, our neighbours, sweeden, have a party, The Pirate Party, dedicating itself to ensure rights and freedom to pirates, protecting them against those who really steals, RIAA and co.

Funny though. Piracy is not downloading anymore. Piracy is sharing. Sharing with other people.
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Postby RedJak on Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:34 am

Giftmatcher wrote:This is probably going to offend you but your actually on the RIAA's side so you can't be human and that makes it okay.

Lawyers acting reasonably? What planet did this happen?


They couldn't do anything to me. I had my 5Gig collection in my iTunes Bought Music folder. I showed them that, and the less-than-computer-literate suits had no other choice than to believe that it was all Legally-Purchased music.

That being said, THEY WERE EXACTLY RIGHT IN THAT ASSUMPTION, AND IT IS SIMPLY ATROCIOUS TO BELIEVE THAT I WOULD DO ANYTHING THAT MAY HARM THE RECORDING INDUSTRY. GOD SAVE THE RIAA.

Off the Record: by "Save" I mean "Smite".
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Postby Giftmatcher on Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:57 am

"They couldn't do anything to me. I had my 5Gig collection in my iTunes Bought Music folder."
My apologies. From your previous post I had assumed that you were connected with your roomate's exploits in some way.
Are you sure they let you go because they didn't have a case? That usually doesn't even slow em down. Maybe they had the flu or something :)


In all seriousness though I'm glade to hear that atleast one innocent person has been spared their zealotry.
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Postby RedJak on Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:54 pm

giftmatcher wrote:Are you sure they let you go because they didn't have a case? That usually doesn't even slow em down. Maybe they had the flu or something


Before they could really question me, they got an urgent call and had to leave.
Apparently, the leader of a Columbian Drug Cartel had shot 12 U.S. Customs Agents, all the while listening to an UNLAWFULLY-DOWNLOADED SPICE GIRLS SONG!!

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Postby Ede on Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:29 pm

RedJak wrote:Apparently, the leader of a Columbian Drug Cartel had shot 12 U.S. Customs Agents, all the while listening to an UNLAWFULLY-DOWNLOADED SPICE GIRLS SONG!!

That's the reason for all the violence in the world.

Pirated Spice Girls.
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Postby Adler on Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:05 pm

Hi All,

I'm cleaning up a Site or two, love the Mint. Greatest Linux Distro that I ever used.

Is there an affiliate program out there? That may be too advanced for the thinking here. But, I'll post the Mint Store on my Site(s) if I can get the HTML code. I've done this before with other groups.

I'm not looking to make money for myself, but send it back to the Mint Crew.

Hey, Linux is sooo... Cool! And, we seem to help other along the way to an exciting computing experience.

I'd like to help, and love the Mint!

If you haven't seen it go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjmR32q6VhM

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