buayadarat wrote:I understood midas posting as giving some user feedback about Mint, rather than an idea to create a new distro...
the midas dude wrote:We could make a really wonderful distribution when sticking only with the Ubuntu-LTS releases:
1. Following the Ubuntu point releases and updating the Mint-tools and arwork etc.
2. Perhaps even updating some 'top 20 packages' like Firefox, OO, GIMP, etc...
3. Every six month an update release for newcomers.
4. Above all a stable and proven product!
midas wrote:No! By 'WE' I did mean the Linux Mint community. I certainly don't have the intention to start another distribution. Sorry for not being crisp and clear about that point. LinuxMint was the distribution that made me leaving Windows behind. I was only thinking how to make LM a better distro qualitywise - and not having the same bugs and regressions Ubuntu is showing us each 6 months.
I can put it in different words: How do YOU think LM can become a (quality wise) better distribution? The solution has to be within reach for the small LM developer team, the available resources and our community as a whole. We are talking about the future of LM as a distribution and I am very concerned about it. It just HAS to be better and more stable in near future.
The intentions of Clem, what he wants to do with LinuxMint is crisp and clear. One can read them at this website (the interviews and the FAQ for instance). One agrees or disagrees with it and in the last case there are 299 other distros to choose from. But everything working troublefree and directly out of the box is one of the main targets (so to speak). Fedorarefugee, what could be the reason Fedora as a distro is cutting back from being the innovative 'bleeding-edge' distro?
(Btw, you are not drinking that weak american coffee, don't you?)
FedoraRefugee wrote:It is not as simple as just updating to the latest packages on an old base. The kernel itself keeps improving, new features come out very frequently. Often newer packages cannot be run on older bases.
FedoraRefugee wrote:We do NOT WANT to run a distro that is over a year old, if we did then we would be running Lenny or CentOS!
FedoraRefugee wrote:If you are not a geek and cannot do the work yourself then tough! Just enjoy the benefits of someone else's labor that you are getting for free!
midas wrote:CentOS or Arch seems to me quite difficult to learn as a starter coming from Mint/Ubuntu. But Debian Lenny is a good tip! The terminal-commands are already familiar and it is a good way of discovering what is happening under the hood.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Not trying to win any hearts and minds here
midas wrote:(Btw, you are not drinking that weak american coffee, don't you?)
linuxviolin wrote:I perhaps prefer Scientific
FedoraRefugee wrote:It is about the flow of ideas!
mick55 wrote:FedoraRefugee wrote:Not trying to win any hearts and minds here
You are succeeding spectacularly.
buayadarat wrote:FedoraRefugee wrote:It is about the flow of ideas!
That is exactly what midas has done. He has brought up some ideas. To me as a newcomer these ideas sound reasonable, but I can't judge whether it is technically possible and whether it fits into Clem's goals. I think it is interesting to see what the Mint-specialists think about these ideas, but I see no reason to bash them.
For me as being new to Linux, Mint looks close to perfect. I just want something that works and that is the case now, while Ubuntu's way is somewhat critical in this point. For me actually the applications are more important than the OS (yes, I know that the applications won't work without the OS... ) and there are still some missing points, that's why I still have to use Windows.
As example, when I use Evolution, I want that the program works and the best OS will be the one that I don't need to know which one it is. Mint is quite close to that.
FedoraRefugee wrote:Why is Fedora backing away from the cutting edge? I wish I knew. It is one of the reasons I quit the distro. It seems like Fedora wants to become like Ubuntu and Ubuntu wants to become like Fedora and it is totally screwing everyone up!
curmudgeon wrote:FedoraRefugee wrote:Why is Fedora backing away from the cutting edge? I wish I knew. It is one of the reasons I quit the distro. It seems like Fedora wants to become like Ubuntu and Ubuntu wants to become like Fedora and it is totally screwing everyone up!
I have a theory... Ubuntu thought, wow Fedora is all about bleeding edge, lets be more bleeding edge and even more people will flock to us cause we'll be like Fedora! Then, Fedora thought, You know, Ubuntu is trying to be all cutting edge like us and land up putting out ****** releases. Let's back off and focus on stability and usability and let Ubuntu fail as they keep suffering from bugs and regressions and we'll be on top again.
I think all anybody wants a STABLE distro that does the job and doesn't decide to completely overhaul an interface that was working in the first place *cough* Ubuntu.. I used to jump at every new release of Ubuntu that came out, but then I found Mint. I feel that over the past couple of years there have been significant advancements in Linux development, but unless a new feature that is TRULY CUTTING-BLEEDING-EDGE, I'm going to try to stay with the current LM9 LTS. Overall not much has really changed since LM8 (in terms of how I use my computer), It's going to take some pretty radical and significant improvements to make me want to jump at LM10 or even Ubuntu 10.10. (But Ubuntu has lost their bloody minds if you ask me). I really hope Mint breaks off from Ubuntu.
Personally, I'd rather wait at least a good year or 2 between releases.. then the distro can REALLY blow my mind.. None of these minor, mediocre new features every 6 months. I think when various Linux releases started popping out releases every 6 months, it set the bar too high and there should be more time between releases in general.
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