Source: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1944#comment-60789Edit by Clem: Cinnamon 1.4 is built for Clutter 1.8 (Mint 12), but we’re almost ready to jump to Clutter 1.9… in Mint 13 we’ll have a new renderer called llvmpipe. I can’t say how stable and snappy (or slow and buggy) this will be, but the next release of Cinnamon will include two sessions, one launched with GPU acceleration and one launched with software rendering. After that, we’ll do some testing and gather user feedback… we’ll probably see people for whom it still doesn’t work well, but 2 options are better than 1
Edit by Clem: Cinnamon is likely to come with Gnome-Fallback. Users will be able to add Shell by simply installing “gnome-shell”, and by doing so they’ll have all three desktops available on the login screen.
rijnsma wrote:That is right in my opinion. MATE works quite right.
craig10x wrote:Been running ubuntu 12.04 since beta2, KBD47... though i did do a re-install upon final release and have not experienced one single crash or need to restart on either...
rather surprised you have had that experience...I run unity on it, nothing else...if you were running Cinnamon on it, perhaps that introduced problems into the system...
I've never tried Cinnamon on ubuntu so i can't say what would happen in my situation...but as i said running stock unity 3d...no problems with that, whatsoever...
It's been extremely smooth and stable...and keeps improving as the updates come along...
zerozero wrote:esteban, as you said in another topic it works but with glitches and tweaks needed, so i think Clem is preparing a plan B (or i'm reading all this wrong wouldn't be the first time)
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2000#comment-63986Edit by Clem: Cinnamon is likely to come with Gnome-Fallback. Users will be able to add Shell by simply installing “gnome-shell”, and by doing so they’ll have all three desktops available on the login screen.
zerozero wrote:i had a month ago or so one of the F17 betas in VB (llvmpipe) was working just fine (slow but i guess it's more the VB to blame than anything else) and full shell experience as well (just managed to break that >> something very easy with fedora development releases )
baptiste wrote:what's not entirely clear for me is if Cinnamon requires 3D acceleration. Can we run it 2D-only?
a buddy runs mint 12 main edition on a Fusion APU laptop, from the start the 3D animations were slightly slow but he had weird sound glitches.
I downloaded and ran the Catalyst driver suite but it failed to install (something about kernel module failed to build). so, terrible driver support from AMD, which I didn't expect in this age.
we were given without notice the gnome3 fallback mode, which didn't look too bad and worked 100% smooth so it was okay for this time, though I don't like this dekstop. buddy only cared that there were no bugs anymore.
so my question is, if Cinnamon is the default desktop, will we get a selection of broken desktops randomly thrown at us?
or can I get the real thing even if my hardware is unsupported, or in a virtual machine.
baptiste wrote:thanks (and sorry if my post sounded a little angry)
actually this is still 3D. llvmpipe is just an efficient OpenGL software renderer.
this should be quite slow on an old computer such as a pentium 3, or a lowly ARM (yes mint is not for ARM but other distros do run on ARM, and you'll be able to use cinnamon there). but I guess ok on a low end dual core. sse2 instructions are a must, probably.
vandamme wrote:The power consumption thing makes 12 unuseable on my laptop. On Ubuntu12.04 the fan runs half speed, on LM12 it burns my pants. On Bodhi, it runs cool.
A minor thing that bothers me is when you install an app, there's no indication that it's done installing (unless you re-search); on Ubuntu you get a check mark saying it's done.
craig10x wrote:quick note to kbd47...there's a good reason why 12.04 is running much cooler then previous editions...it is because of the patch that ubuntu added in that was contributed by a red hat developer and emulates the windows power management system which unfortunately was being shut off on a lot of desktops/laptops with the previous kernels and would still be happening if the patch had not been added...it really REALLY improves the temperatures and power consumption...and of course, mint 13 will also benefit by it...
it wasn't scheduled to become part of the linux kernel until the next major release, but ubuntu wisely chose to add it in now
i had psensor installed on my 11.10 and now on my 12.04 and boy what a difference!!!
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