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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:42 am

I have tried your bash script (on mine ati 6800 serie), after reboot not yet any problem .

Did you already have the drivers installed or was it a clean install?

Only one point , when i use to install the proprietary driver i had also the possibility of logging in under administrator.
Now i have log in on a terminal as root and make there the adjustments on the display manager.

Could you explain to me, step-by-step, what you have to do to install the drivers for your card (including the commands you have to run after my script)?
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby slashw on Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:59 am

It was a clean install.

after running your script i only got once the advice to do sudo aticonfig --initial , done that, and that's it , nothing more and it works.
After restart you get in your program starter menu under (instellingen) Ati Catalyst Control Center.

But if i do a install of the ati driver follow these instructions http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/installernotes.html ,then i getting a extra programstarter under (instellingen) Ati Catalyst Control Center (as root).
Then you can chance your display settings (as root).

This is not possible if you are a normal user.

What i now have done is run under root amdcccle , then you running the control center as root.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:31 am

My script should have run aticonfig --initial but obviously that went wrong.
Probably the path, /etc/X11/aticonfig, is not correct. Could you check that, please?

Run the command:
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which aticonfig
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby zerozero on Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:51 am

downloading it now 8) will try the "install drivers script" once it is installed tho i only have a fairly common nvidia card
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zerozero@deb-kde ~ $ inxi -Gx
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G92 [GeForce GTS 250] bus-ID: 01:00.0 X.Org: 1.12.3 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 250/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 302.17 Direct Rendering: Yes
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:09 am

Just out of curiosity...is there a list with common hardware of which the drivers need to be installed after OS installation?
I'd like to collect all kinds of installation scripts.
I was thinking of misusing mintwelcome to become a hardware detection and driver installation program...
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby zerozero on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:40 am

:wink: that would rock 8)
apart from the always mentioned nvidia and ati/amd i can only think of broadcom (maybe because is the only one that affects me personally)
for that i use this howto (old but still effective) or this script
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby arjay on Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:04 pm

Schoelje

I just did a clean install of the up5 rc1. I'll give you some feedback shortly.

But, for now, just to let you know I ran you bash script for nvidia drivers and it worked just fine. My card is an Nvidia GT440. Nice touch that nvidia-settings was also installed. It correctly identified my dual monitor setup including the fact that one monitor is 1280 and the other 1980. The xorg.conf file is good.

Just one thing to think about for you. I suppose that anyone trying rc1 will be reasonably experienced and know that you first have to make the bash script executable before trying to run it (chmod +x [filename] etc). maybe when popularity increases a short "guide" to making and running the script might be helpful?

Great job with the script - I would normally run sgfxi so thanks for the warning that it might not run OK.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby slashw on Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:08 pm

Schoelje wrote:My script should have run aticonfig --initial but obviously that went wrong.
Probably the path, /etc/X11/aticonfig, is not correct. Could you check that, please?

Run the command:
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which aticonfig


It says : /usr/bin/aticonfig

Another thing , after 15 min. my screen-save is running , when it is running there is no possibility to get out of it. My whole system is freezing.
A hard reset is the only way to come out of it.

edit: the second time it went in screen-save mode it was no problem to get out of it , strange.......
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:08 pm

@slashw
I'm sorry I can't help you there but googling on "debian ati freeze" returns a lot of hits.
Did you try that?
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:10 pm

I've created a new thread regarding the driver post-installs:
viewtopic.php?f=191&t=110681

@zerozero
I adapted a script I've been using for my Broadcom network controller. I've included that in the new thread.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby slashw on Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:38 pm

Schoelje wrote:@slashw
I'm sorry I can't help you there but googling on "debian ati freeze" returns a lot of hits.
Did you try that?


@schoelje , no problem its not a big deal to me ,
I probable f.... up my system by trying to run wine ( by Kai wasserbach ).

With the upcoming LMDE KDE UP5 i will do a clean install again.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby zerozero on Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:15 pm

8)
with my card it "justworks"
right after installation i started with this
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zerozero@test ~ $ inxi -Gx
Graphics:  Card NVIDIA G92 [GeForce GTS 250] X.Org 1.12.1.902 Res: 1024x768@61.0hz
           GLX Renderer Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209) GLX Version 2.1 Mesa 8.0.3 Direct Rendering Yes

wrong resolution and gallium instead of the nvidia driver (the second one is obvious but i don't remember having before resolution problems)
anyway i knew that it was fixable :D

checked for updates but nada
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zerozero@test ~ $ /home/zerozero/Documents/install.script
Login as root.
Password:

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This script will detect your card and install the appropriate drivers
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Found card: NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] (rev a2)

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 - Original module
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 - Installation
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depmod.....

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Configure Nvidia and blacklist Nouveau
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WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.

New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'


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It is necessary to reboot to apply the changes.
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Reboot now [y/n]? (default = n)


i give you the full output just in case
after the reboot
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby tdockery97 on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:12 pm

Schoelje: Sorry to report that installing the ATI proprietary driver was a complete and utter failure for me on this new 201208 release candidate. I know it has a lot to do with the fact that with the 12.6 driver release ATI has dropped support of the Radeon HD 4200. However, they have come out with a 12.6 legacy driver for the 4000 series that seems to work well with Ubuntu 12.04 (and therefore Mint 13) and also works with Debian Squeeze-based distros. It just doesn't seem to work for Debian Testing.

I tried every method, including building the driver package, but it still failed to install correctly.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:27 pm

@tdockery97
Sorry to hear that.
Do I understand correctly that you didn't have problems on the UP4 version?
And if so, what did you have to do to get the drivers for your card working?

You could post your answer in a new thread I just started about this subject: viewtopic.php?f=191&t=110681

[EDIT]
In this Debian bug report (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671320), posted on 02 Jun 2012, I read the following:
New upstream beta release.
- Support for RadeonHD older than 5xxx are dropped!
Namely the following series have been removed:
- RadeonHD 2000
- RadeonHD 3000
- RadeonHD 4000
So we close bug reports where only these older ASICs are involved. Users
affected by this should switch to the free radeon driver.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby eric71 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:44 am

I played with UP5_RC1 last night with a unetbootin live usb and installed. One odd thing was running live, I couldn't connect to my wireless via the networkmanager plasma thingy. It complained I did not have permission. After installing (which went perfectly) there are no permissions issues. I love the fact that akonadi isn't running by default. I'm also testing pclinuxos, and whatever I do (disabled all sorts of krunner and calender related stuff) there's always at least 40 or 50 megs of memory going to akonadi and mysql. I also like your app selections (i.e. only vlc and npapi-vlc, all you really need). Thanks so much for working on this - I was excited last year with the promise of a LMDE based Mint KDE, and crushed when it went back to Ubuntu. The excitement is back.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:29 am

Nice one, erik71! You just found a bug I overlooked.
I'm looking into it now, but it's going to be difficult because it's only affecting the live environment...
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Evil-K on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:41 am

@Schoelje:

I used a risky method of getting WINE, namely by setting up the WINE Ubuntu Precise ppa in my repos. I will say that, so far, there haven't been any breakages, borkages, or otherwise bad thingages happening.

I'm running the 32-bit version, though, since I've only got 3 GB of RAM so there's really no point of using a 64-bit kernel.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby tdockery97 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:21 pm

@Schoelje: The default open-source Gallium driver works OK, so I'm not going to fret over installing the proprietary driver for now.
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby Schoelje on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:45 pm

I've been working hard on the next UP5 release.
With KDE 4.8.4 came new features...and new bugs. Most of them were resolved for which I created several (six by now) custom deb packages to ensure that future updates will not pose any problems. Clem decided that grub didn't need a custom background anymore, so I took the liberty to integrate grub into the current LMDE KDE theme.

Bugs - Live 32-bit
  1. There is no shut down or restart in Kickoff menu.
    I've sent an e-mail about this bug to kde-develop but it first needs to be reviewed by the moderator.
    A workaround: shut down button in favorites menu.
    Once installed, all buttons are available again.
  2. Adding a wireless connection in Networkmanager results in the following error message:
    Error adding connections: Insufficient privileges
    I filed a bug at bugzilla: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682606
    After installation you can easily add a new wireless connection.
    I could not confirm this bug on the 64-bit LMDE KDE: I haven't got a 64-bit laptop to test on...

Tech talk
Handling the desktop, traditionally was done by overriding the Debian scripts with custom scripts. This approach did not work anymore with this new version of KDE so I had to recode the scripts that handled the desktop creation for new users. In stead of overriding I choose to Mintify the default Debian desktop. Even when all fails you'll have a perfectly good desktop but it won't look Minty.

As you might know, I created some scripts to simplify the installation of Nvidia, ATI or Broadcom drivers. I started a separate thread (viewtopic.php?f=191&t=110681&p=621532) for this but it didn't get the attention I had hoped for. In the next version you can simply run "driverchk" and the scripts will install the appropriate drivers for your hardware. When these scripts are thoroughly tested, I plan to integrate them into mintwelcome.

Another little project of mine is a Plymouth Manager for Debian. I'm at 80% now and I will pick this up again after UP5.

For those that would like to upgrade their current LMDE KDE to UP5: the custom LMDE deb packages will be available when UP5 goes official and I will accompany them with a script for a smooth upgrade.

Has anybody got a clue when UP5 will go official?
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Re: Unofficial LMDE KDE Live DVD: UP4 / 201208

Postby zerozero on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:55 pm

Schoelje wrote:Has anybody got a clue when UP5 will go official?

In LMDE, Update Pack 5 reached “incoming” and should hit “latest” by the end of August. The mirror strategy was changed to face the upcoming demand in bandwidth and new servers will be purchased or rented by our project to make sure the release goes as smooth as possible. from here
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