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Postby exploder on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:04 pm

Just thought I would post some information on Ubuntu Hardy development. This will affect future versions of Mint so it is important to me to help out as far as bug reporting.

- Wubi is a default part of Hardy.
- Drive checks are now done in a graphical environment.
- Pulse Audio is enabled by default. (Multimedia works so much better as far as getting higher volume and cleaner sound.)
- There is language support as soon as the Live CD starts.

These are just some note worthy changes, there are too many to list them all! I have created one bug report about FDD not working in Nautilus and have already received responses from the developer's. The developer's know what is wrong and had me do some tests and I was able to access the drive. I am sure the problem will be resolved.

If you have the time and resources to help test, it will be of benefit to us. Ubuntu development directly affects us since we use Ubuntu repo's for the majority of our packages at this time. The Ubuntu developer's main focus is on better hardware support, they are succeeding. This is of great benefit to us and will reduce the number of problems we have. The Ubuntu developer's are very pleasant to work with considering the pressure they are under.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:17 pm

I just received an e-mail stating that I should see the fix for the bug I reported soon. I have to do some searching first but I think I may have found another Nautilus related bug that affects changing default applications in Firefox. I will have to do some searching.

Edit; A little more investigation revealed that no applications have access to the filesystm features in Nautilus. I have filed a bug report and it has been received. This affects basic functionality and is of real concern to me.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby sundayrefugee on Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:12 pm

I hope they pay attention to you.

My bug reports from Gutsy, and some from even Feisty, have carried over. Some are even still in Hardy. They are not only regressions, I have identified problems and posted the fixes, and, well, that's about it ;-) It was a reason I was skeptical to try, but VERY pleasantly surprised by, Mint.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:52 am

sundayrefugee, at least you took the time and effort. Many Ubuntu bugs effect us and create loads of support problems. Most of the bugs I have reported relate to GVFS and Nautilus. The developer's have asked for testing and feedback on GVFS. I noticed today that Network Places has been fixed and is in good working order! I was e-mailed about the FDD problem and told that the fix is coming. This leaves two remaining issues; applications having access to the Filesystem in Nautilus and problems with emptying the trash and restoring items from the trash.

The issue with the trash is being worked on and it is showing improvement. The problem that I reported today with application having access to the filesysem has been received and is a Nautilus bug.Gnome will no longer use Gnome-vfs so it is important to the developer's to get GVFS working at least at the same level as the former Gnome-vfs. Fedora is also working on this as well.

I have noticed that there are far less hardware related issues with Hardy than there was with Gutsy.The kernel and the restricted modules have been updated a number of times, (twice today). Gutsy had massive amounts of hardware related issues during development, some of these problems still give us problems today.There is emphasis on hardware support being a priority in numerous posts through out the Hardy Development forum.This will really benefit us!

Since we use Ubuntu packages it is to our benefit to do what we can to report bugs and work with the developer's. An LTS release receives a lot of attention as far as development goes because it is aimed at businesses. The important thing to remember is to report bugs early enough for the developer's to fix them. Many wait until the clock is ticking and then it is too late.

My goal is to see Linux on corporate desktops and playing a support role to make a better living for my family. LinuxMint in my opinion has the highest chance for success because the learning curve is not as great for new user's and the single panel layout with the mintmenu meets the needs and expectations of it's user's.The mint tools that are slated for Mint 5 have exceptional functionality and greatly simplify common tasks. Quality and ease of use are the key elements to get LinuxMint onto corporate computers.Artwork used to be an issue with Linux in general but LinuxMint and other distributions have made a huge impact in this respect.

I feel the timing is right for Linux as an enterprise solution. Vista is floundering and Microsoft is too slow to respond to the needs of business user's. Look at how long it took to release Vista! One year after it's release and user's are petitioning for extended support for XP! Microsoft uses "planned obsolescence" to push it's products and people are looking for more cost effective solutions.The timing couldn't be better!

It is worth my time and effort to do anything I can to aid in development. If finding and reporting bugs helps to advance Linux, I am more than happy to do so.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby sundayrefugee on Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:46 am

Not only that, but it's basically told businesses it's "ok" to skip Vista, and is planning Win7 for a rushed 2009 release ;-) That sounds disastrous :mrgreen:

Good to hear they've been responsive to your reports! Maybe it's time for me to start hacking at the beta again. I'm particularly good at finding and breaking things :wink: :lol:
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:16 am

I'm particularly good at finding and breaking things
Me too!
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:27 pm

Testing Alpha 6 now and still reporting bugs! Here is what I have reported so far.

- Application browser can not access the Filesystem. (Fixed)
- FDD will not work at all. (Received e-mail saying a fix was coming, haven't seen it yet.)
- Samba updates 3/9/08 break Grub and leave the system unbootable. (Fixed sometime today, works now...)

Hardy has a new theme, the theme looks pretty good for being orange but the current default wallpaper is hideous. I change the wallpaper so that I can tolerate the system for testing. My main concern is GVFS and how it affects us. I went as far as to look at Fedora 9 Alpha to compare Fedora's progress with GVFS compared to Ubuntu's. Fedora developer's were way ahead of Ubuntu's in GVFS and Firefox 3. Firefox 3 on Fedora 9 could render images that would not show properly on Hardy. Fedora was using a nightly build of Firefox.

The clock is ticking for Hardy. I hope we do not inherit a bunch of problems like we have in the past.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:32 pm

I have found and reported lots of bugs lately. GVFS is getting better, the file browser works now. FDD's still do not work, I was told a fix was in place but it does not work and I haven't heard anything for a couple of days.

Tons of breakage lately too! The first 2.6.24-12 kernel was bad and caused all kinds of problems. There were some updates Saturday and today that trashed my test system beyond repair! I have had to start all over twice! It wasn't a big deal because I only change the wallpaper and put in a couple of bookmarks in Firefox, no real data to loose. Mint is on my good hard drive, so it is never affected by what I am testing.

Flash seems to be hit and miss in Hardy, Java is in the same shape. IcedTea Java was working. I took a break from Hardy for now because way too many things are breaking right now. My main concern was GVFS, in case we use it in Mint 5 and it is showing steady improvement.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby sundayrefugee on Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:26 am

It's sort of the exact opposite of the Gutsy dev cycle. It was so incredibly stable, until about 3 days from release, when they release a new kernel, some new libs, etc.... Gutsy, from then on, was a dog. I could never understand why they just seemed to break such an incredibly stable system only days before release. And they still haven't figured out how to send a simple sudo initramfs command downstream to patch everone's broken splash screens. Or fixed the broken GDM greeter server. Or why didn't they notice that gparted crashes on both the 32 and 64 bit Live CD? And...

...well, and I guess that's why I use Mint. It doesn't have those problems :lol:

So, while it may look bad, I'm hoping for sort of a "reverse Gutsy", where it breaks constantly, then automagically is wonderful 3 days before release :D I mean Gutsy makes Vista look GOOD.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby Zwopper on Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:41 am

exploder wrote:Hardy has a new theme, the theme looks pretty good for being orange but the current default wallpaper is hideous.

Let's hope you're not referring to any of these: http://blog.mypapit.net/2007/12/preview-of-ubuntu-hardy-heron-glassy-look.html http://www.linuxloop.com/news/2008/02/04/the-best-art-concepts-for-hardy-heron/, because then I will have to agree with the first response in the first link...
Personally, I think the interface looks like shaite :)
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:16 pm

Ubuntu now has Human Murrine, for Ubuntu it looks pretty decent. They added a wallpaper without the heron and it looks fair foe being brown. There is a gdm theme that goes with the new wallpaper and again it looks ok for brown.

Luckily, I am not testing Ubuntu for it's looks. I just want the bugs fixed because we depend on Ubuntu packages.I see gvfs as a good thing if the bugs are worked out. The better the base is, the less problems we will have to deal with. Currently my inbox is full of stuff relating to bug reports!
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:19 pm

Hardy is starting to shape up now and is showing some speed and stability. Memory use is looking much better and gvfs is working for the most part. Hardy could actually detect my Wife's Vista laptop on the network, "out of the box"! OpenOffice 2.4.0 is loading fast and seems to be working fine. Firefox 3 beta 5 is a big improvement over beta 4.

The only real problem on my hardware is that the floppy drive still doesn't work. There are of course some small minor bugs present but Hardy is looking more like a release candidate now.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby sundayrefugee on Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:03 am

Have the showstopper bugs stopped? I took Hardy off my play partition because every couple of days an update, usually a kernel released without headers, etc... would break my installation beyond my willingness to hack to get back running. Sometimes I could 3 at grub to get into init 3, update, fix (run initramfs, etc...), go to 5, and then hit GDM, but it was getting a little tedious. Would you recommend it again now?
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:36 am

Would you recommend it again now?


Yes, things are settling down now. I had the same troubles as you, everything kept breaking before! If you decide to load the beta, download the latest daily build.and keep an eye on the development section of the Ubuntu forum for breakage before you apply updates.

Please report any bugs you find, we use these packages too!
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby sundayrefugee on Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:11 pm

exploder wrote:
Would you recommend it again now?


Yes, things are settling down now. I had the same troubles as you, everything kept breaking before! If you decide to load the beta, download the latest daily build.and keep an eye on the development section of the Ubuntu forum for breakage before you apply updates.

Please report any bugs you find, we use these packages too!


Thanks. Will do ;-)
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:01 am

The final release of Hardy is almost here and things are looking very good!

- Pulse Audio works great, sound is better than ever!
- No more gdm-sessions-manager issues!
- OpenOffice 2.4 has great looking fonts now and opens much faster than previous versions!
- Flash is working in Firefox 3 and Firefox is no longer crashing!
- The installer has improved by leaps and bounds! (I was able to install on a system with only 256 mb of RAM and the install was quick and the system runs fine.)
- I can access my Wife's Vista laptop's shared folders, "out of the box".
- Compiz and CCSM seem to behave much better.

All of the bugs I reported have been fixed with the exception of a problem with internal floppy drives. (The problem is being addressed.)

This has been the roughest development cycle I have ever seen! I can hardly wait to see the first beta of Mint 5!

My thanks to everyone here that jumped in and helped with Hardy, this gives us something good to build Mint 5 with!
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby lancern on Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:48 pm

Just saw on DistroWatch that "Release Candidate for Ubuntu 8.04 LTS" has been released..
I need to go buy some more CDs :D
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby Jernau on Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:36 am

exploder wrote:This has been the roughest development cycle I have ever seen! I can hardly wait to see the first beta of Mint 5!

My thanks to everyone here that jumped in and helped with Hardy, this gives us something good to build Mint 5 with!

I take my hat off to you sir.

It's people like you who spend time testing early releases that increase the quality for the rest of us. Your hard work directly impacts this community and is greatly appreciated. Many thanks.
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby Rob Brill on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:21 am

Hi Everybody

Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was postponed - Coming Soon

http://www.ubuntu.com/

The latest RC still have some bugs to be solved. I think like (worldwide) keyboards,some videocards...
It seems the problems are due to any Xorg configurations.

That's i have herard here in Br.

Pulse audio is really very good

cheers


Post Edit: wrong information

Yes, Ubuntu 8,04 LTS has been released - see Distrowatch

Sorry, i was a bit timed spaced out - today 24/abril/2008 -13h e 30m

I have installed Ubuntu RC LTS 8.04 in my computer but it presented some bugs
that have been fixed.( 2 apps, keyboard ...)

With the upcoming final version of GoblinX, Ubuntu will removed from
my hard disk


Ok, apologies
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Re: Hardy Development

Postby exploder on Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:02 pm

There are some unresolved bugs in Hardy final.

- Internal floppy drive is unusable.
- Screen full of Network Manager errors on shut down and restart. (This issue will just appear out of nowhere and there is no fix.)
- Login Window takes 5 -10 minutes to open the first time.

Just thought I would point out these bugs. The most serious one is the Network Manager errors on shut down and restart. There is no fix for this and it is extremely annoying!

Here is the bug report.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... bug/216266

The floppy drive problem exists in Hardy, Fedora 9 Preview and Mandriva 2008.1.

Ubuntu Hardy is the only distribution with the Login Window issue.
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