2020 newborns will have chips implanted into their brains and have full access to googledom
viking777 wrote:Wasn't the pointless 'desktop wars' scene dying down a bit Bim? You are not trying to revive it are you? I know you are mature enough to not rise to that bait, but thousands aren't - I nearly responded myself, but I won't. I hope this thread doesn't end up having to be closed, because it does bring interesting information.
altair4 wrote:Gnome is doing just fine thank you very much. Why, they plan to have 20% of the market by 2020. Not sure what market they are talking about because by 2020 newborns will have chips implanted into their brains and have full access to googledom by then but ...
Anyway, all of the things that Gnome is doing are just stepping stones to GnomeOS ( I'm not making this up ): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... px=MTE0ODg
Certainly well within the reach of the 20 or so developers left at Gnome.
bimsebasse wrote:That's the main head scratcher for me. Gnome is right now (or was last year anyway) the largest Linux desktop environment, with emphasis on "desktop", still very succesful and still with a large userbase. They want to ditch that favourable position altogether and try to steal marketshare from android, ChromeOS and soon FirefoxOS on the touch device market. I'm not an expert or anything but it looks like slow suicide from where I'm standing.
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Vincent Vermeulen wrote:Let's be clear about what is what. Unity, Cinnamon and SolusOS "next" are all using Gnome 3. The only part of Gnome 3 those aren't using is the Gnome Shell. Most of the applications that come pre-installed on Ubuntu, Linux Mint (Cinnamon/MATE/Xfce), and SolusOS, are Gtk+ applications--another part of Gnome.
bimsebasse wrote:It's not the shell that is discussed in OP blog post link (other than in passing), and Gnome Shell is not really the main concern either. It's best to read first and answer afterwards, I think, when you post in a thread. The problems Gnome face are not problems that can be solved by using another shell, obviously.
bimsebasse wrote:Gnome Shell is daily moving an inch further away from the desktop and its current userbase, seemingly in preparation for a touch devices adventure - but how many touch devices come with Gnome? 0. Alienating long time users before it has found new ones just doesn't seem like a good move. Both Ubuntu and Mint have already dropped Gnome's main "desktop" (shell) with Cinnamon and Unity and I can easily imagine those distros either forking or dropping Gnome altogether ten years from now.
bimsebasse wrote:I'm a happy Gnome shell users btw, my main concern with Gnome 3 is everything but the shell, how e.g. Nautilus has useful features removed because they don't play well with touch interfaces, before there is a Gnome for touch.
I’ll apologize in advance for the sarcasm here.. I need to take another cheap shot at the GTKGnome developers here. GTK3 isn’t a reliable API. Maybe it should be called libgnome instead. GTK3.4 came with Gnome3.4, and wasn’t compatible with previous GTK3 themes. This means all GTK3 applications looked really ugly not only with all the GTK2 themes which don’t support GTK3 (almost all of them), but also the few which did. With this in mind we had three options:
Give you a desktop with poor integration and applications which look different based on the API they use (which is completely unacceptable)
Ditch all GTK3 applications from Mint and replace them with earlier GTK2 versions, or GTK2 or QT applications (this includes Gnome apps, but also Gdebi, Transmission and a few others)
Rant like mad, remove all themes, and waste countless hours in giving Mint-X and Mint-Z proper GTK “3.4″ support even though it’s likely to break again in 3.6…
We went for option 3 “this time”. I hope this little example was enough to convince 3rd party developers not to use GTK3. I couldn’t find any release notes or documentation explaining the regression or how to solve the issue.. I genuinely get the feeling that GTK 3.4 is developed for Gnome 3.4, that it doesn’t really matter if it breaks things and that we’re not supposed to use it outside of Gnome.
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