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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby GeneC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:13 pm

Schoelje

Why not use mate-system-tools (for users groups. Its what Nadia XFCE is using.)

Description
Nowadays there are tools for managing:
- Users and groups
- Date and time
- Network options
- Services
- Shares (NFS and Samba)

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About the MATE System Tools
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- Fork:

MATE System Tools package is a fork of GNOME System Τοols package.

- Targeted to desktop users:

These tools are intended to simplify the tasks of configuring a Unix system
for workstations. They are not intended for configuring Unix servers.

- Unified system configuration:

Configuring different Unix systems is different; every Unix system has
different ways of being administrated. The MATE System Tools aspire to
unify these systems.

- Multi-platform:

Each one of the MATE System Tools is split in two parts: a backend (which
is typically written in Perl) and a user interface frontend (which is
typically written in C or Python).

The backends are written in a way that should allow us to quickly adapt
them to various different flavors of Unix; the backend probes your system
and parses the existing system files. When the user has finished editing
the system settings, the configuration is written back as patches to the
system files.

This means that the MATE System Tools use whatever configuration files are
available on your system, and you can still edit those files by hand or
with other configuration tools without conflicts or data loss.


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 apt-cache policy mate-system-tools
mate-system-tools:
  Installed: 1.4.0-1+precise
  Candidate: 1.4.0-1+precise
  Version table:
 *** 1.4.0-1+precise 0
        700 http://packages.linuxmint.com/ nadia/import i386 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


GitHub
https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-system-tools
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby cwwgateway on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:16 pm

GeneC wrote:Schoelje

Why not use mate-system-tools (for users groups. Its what Nadia XFCE is using.

That sounds like a really good idea :D . I feel like I should have thought of that...

Schoelje wrote:
cwwgateway wrote:I had some more time today, so I have been searching for the explanation of the terminal problem. Here is a Debian bug report that appears to be similar, although little information is given and this is with version 0.4.8 (I'm assuming you're using 0.6.0): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695650. There are a few bug reports about problems due to the terminal window not being large enough for the prompt, and I found one slackware problem where text couldn't be entered. Are you using Xfce 4.8 or 4.10 (and, if 4.10, from experimental or siduction)? My next plans are to test ddm and dpm on my laptop and on my old gateway again, and then to try to find some user manager (I may install some Xfce distros and see what they use).


I'm still at it, but it only occurs while running live: once installed, all's fine.
So, I'm thinking about uploading a alpha version of the unofficial LMDE Xfce in the hope you guys can find out what's wrong and test the iso thoroughly (my wife and kids are starting to complain that the see the back of my head more often then the front).

I'd love to try an alpha version, and it will probably help to diagnose the terminal problem, as all of the Debian live CDs with the exception of siduction's run Xfce 4.8 and xfce4-terminal 0.4.8.
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:18 pm

regarding user management have to agree with Gene: either mate-system-tools or gnome-system-tools
actually the last one is the answer given in all the topics i found with similar question
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1981484
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20487
http://www.barrytrujillo.com/wordpress/?p=281
(there's more, i stopped here :lol: )
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:27 pm

GeneC wrote:Why not use mate-system-tools (for users groups. Its what Nadia XFCE is using.)


It'll install 52MB of dependencies:
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The following extra packages will be installed:
  libcaja-extension libexempi3 libmarco libmateconf libmatecorba libmatedesktop
  libmatekbd libmatemenu libmatenotify libmatepolkit liboobs-1-5 libunique-1.0-0
  libxklavier16 mate-conf mate-conf-common mate-control-center mate-corba
  mate-desktop mate-desktop-common mate-desktop-gnome mate-icon-theme mate-menus
  mate-polkit mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common
  mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer system-tools-backends
Suggested packages:
  ntp
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libcaja-extension libexempi3 libmarco libmateconf libmatecorba libmatedesktop
  libmatekbd libmatemenu libmatenotify libmatepolkit liboobs-1-5 libunique-1.0-0
  libxklavier16 mate-conf mate-conf-common mate-control-center mate-corba
  mate-desktop mate-desktop-common mate-desktop-gnome mate-icon-theme mate-menus
  mate-polkit mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common
  mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer mate-system-tools system-tools-backends
0 upgraded, 28 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 22.1 MB of archives.
After this operation, 52.0 MB of additional disk space will be used.

But I'll include it and see what the people think about it.
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:35 pm

Schoelje if you try with the
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--no-install-recommends
flag will it be functional the same?
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sudo apt-get -s install --no-install-recommends mate-system-tools
[sudo] password for zerozero:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libcaja-extension libexempi3 libmateconf libmatecorba libmatedesktop
  libmatepolkit liboobs-1-5 libunique-1.0-0 mate-polkit
  system-tools-backends
Suggested packages:
  ntp
Recommended packages:
  mate-control-center
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libcaja-extension libexempi3 libmateconf libmatecorba libmatedesktop
  libmatepolkit liboobs-1-5 libunique-1.0-0 mate-polkit
  mate-system-tools system-tools-backends
0 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby cwwgateway on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:49 pm

Personally, I'd support either method, although having as few MATE dependencies as possible is probably preferable.

Edit: Just installed on my Debian NetInst (after adding the Mint repo) using the --no-install-recommends flag and it does not appear in the menu nor can I launch it from the terminal, unless I'm using the wrong command. I'm going to troubleshoot later when I have time.
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:55 pm

zerozero wrote:regarding user management have to agree with Gene: either mate-system-tools or gnome-system-tools

taking back what i wrote here
this pull request (already merged into mate-system-tools is another (as if we needed yet another one :mrgreen: ) example of gnome's clever decisions.
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby GeneC on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:02 pm

cwwgateway wrote:................
Edit: Just installed on my Debian NetInst (after adding the Mint repo) using the --no-install-recommends flag and it does not appear in the menu nor can I launch it from the terminal, unless I'm using the wrong command. I'm going to troubleshoot later when I have time.


Try
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 gene@nadia ~ $ mate-users-admin

(mate-users-admin:6368): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating asynchronously with the backends: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 255



Dont know about the WARNING... :roll:
It opens 'Users and Groups", just fine..
Yeah,,, I have trouble myself communicating with MY backend.... :lol:
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:13 pm

GeneC wrote:Yeah,,, I have trouble myself communicating with MY backend.... :lol:


:shock: :lol:
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:13 pm

yeahh i just found those as well :D
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/usr/bin
/usr/bin/mate-users-admin
/usr/bin/mate-shares-admin
/usr/bin/mate-time-admin
/usr/bin/mate-services-admin
/usr/bin/mate-network-admin

funny enough in the system i tried this (lmde-kde in VB) the only that i can't open is users and groups (using the no install recommends)
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:22 pm

actually rebooting the VM solved the problem
Image
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zerozero@deb-kde-vb ~ $ mate-users-admin

(mate-users-admin:3058): Liboobs-WARNING **: There was an unknown error communicating asynchronously with the backends: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 255

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): Liboobs-CRITICAL **: oobs_user_is_in_group: assertion `OOBS_IS_GROUP (group)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(mate-users-admin:3058): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
zerozero@deb-kde-vb ~ $
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:32 pm

I'm building a new iso with the mate packages to test if that's working.

To get back to the biggest frustration: the no prompt in terminal (and no history).
If I run "sudo xfce4-terminal", a new terminal is opened...with prompt :?
So, it's a permissions issue?
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby zerozero on Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:40 pm

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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:43 pm

The terminal issue has been solved!

I was manually checking the conf files in /etc, and also passwd.
Where I found this line:
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mint:x:1000:1000::/home/mint:/bin/shell

Can you see what's wrong? :wink:

[EDIT]
After posting, I saw that zerozero also found the solution (in a slightly different form).
I'm uploading the alpha version now, but it'll take about 6 hours - tomorrow (it's 1AM here).
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby wayne128 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:16 pm

Schoelje wrote:
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mint:x:1000:1000::/home/mint:/bin/shell

Can you see what's wrong? :wink:


hmm
just checked a few of my /etc/passwd...in various partitions
myname:x:1000:1000:mypassword:/home/wayne:/bin/bash
always end with /bin/bash
$ /bin/shell
bash: /bin/shell: No such file or directory
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby cwwgateway on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:10 pm

Ok mate-users-admin is working now, although I did have to reboot after installing (either that or it didn't like running as root... not sure which). I'm glad some problems are being worked out. Are there any other problems you are having, that I could help with (especially ones that are easy to fix :D )? Otherwise, I'll be testing dpm and ddm.
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby cwwgateway on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:49 pm

I looked back and found the bullet about LightDM theming, so here is a lightdm thread where it is kind of discussed:
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=102716
I used the directions in the second post, using the theme "greybird" and icon theme "Faenza-Dark" and it is working nicely. I haven't rebooted though, so I don't know if it holds after reboot (although I'd assume it would).
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby jjaythomas on Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:40 am

Gene
Thanks, but I gotta agree with CWW. These old P4's are very surprising. I installed Nadia XFCE 32 bit, and its running most excellent. I am running docky, I have lots of gnome apps as well, and no performance problems whatsoever... :shock: Graphics are great with the old Nvidia card.
I am in no rush at all to fix the old computer... :lol:


Wasn't impling anything :oops:
Just thought 'Sparky' a good testing (rolling) debian and upgrades to Xfce very well. 2 thing you seem to like

J.Jay
P.S. Need something to pass time waiting on 'unofficial LMDE-Xfce' (worth wait tho)I don't think I can contribute much to project (knowledge wise) otherwise
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:23 am

cwwgateway wrote:I looked back and found the bullet about LightDM theming, so here is a lightdm thread where it is kind of discussed:
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=102716
I used the directions in the second post, using the theme "greybird" and icon theme "Faenza-Dark" and it is working nicely. I haven't rebooted though, so I don't know if it holds after reboot (although I'd assume it would).


Nice, I'm going to check that out!
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Re: The unofficial LMDE XFCE

Postby Schoelje on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:09 am

I've uploaded the alpha version:

http://schoelje.nl/lmdekde/lmdexfce32_up6alpha1_201301.iso
md5sum: f038f92822fba0f232e8e803bd6c05c1
836MB

This version has been created from the ground up: debian standard.
It is very probable that you'll miss packages you had in the official LMDE Xfce: post that here.
The look and feel is in line with the unofficial LMDE KDE so that everybody knows they are from the same family.

When you want to test this iso, try to focus on software (behaving badly or not at all), driver support, missing packages, but also packages that are not needed (to slim down the iso further).

There are two graphical issues (that I'm aware off now):
  1. When browsing the network there are no icons for the network servers in any icon theme I tried.
    If you can find out which name (should be "/usr/share/icons/oxygen/[pixelsize]/places/network-server.png", but obviously isn't anymore) is used to load the image, I'd be very happy.
  2. The oxygen theme has an annoying feature I can't do anything about (it's in the binary engine):
    It automatically shows the oxygen icons, and switching to another icon theme while the oxygen theme is selected, won't do a thing (no errors either).
    To switch to another icon theme you need to select another theme, the icon theme of your choice (still won't show), logout and login back again.
  3. Terminal colors are not set by .bashrc

All issues WITH solution are appreciated and praised by yours truly! :D
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