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Postby SpudGun on Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:25 am

Just tested hardy heron and not very impressed, runs very heavy, like it need a very big cpu to push it along, compiz will only work with the default settings, try turning on the cube and compiz shuts down, cant find a fix for that yet. the only good thing i found was firefox 3, that runs great. this distro is definitely not finished yet, it should still be a beta, but i think it will be ok when the mint team have finished with it. :lol:
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby Husse on Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:18 am

Well well most people seem to have huge problems with FF 3
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby SpudGun on Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:25 am

Husse wrote:Well well most people seem to have huge problems with FF 3
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Whats FF3? :oops:
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby SpudGun on Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:27 am

CaptainStrangePork wrote:
Husse wrote:Well well most people seem to have huge problems with FF 3
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Whats FF3? :oops:

Its OK, i just worked it out, too much beer last night. :mrgreen:
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby sundayrefugee on Wed Apr 30, 2008 6:47 am

Hmmm. Don't get the problems. Running with no compiz, otherwise everything normal. No problems at all, using a whopping 223 MB ram with the Human-Murrine theme. Not a single hitch here. FF3 working fine.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby Mr. B on Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:27 am

Okay, it might seem for some folks that Hardy Heron is not finished yet. Why do you think that they will release a "Service Pack 1" on the 3rd of July? Yes, there will be a Ubuntu 8.04.1 release on that date. This will improve the stability and usability. Also FireFox 3 stable is coming out in July. I think that they released Hardy Heron now because they want to stick to the every 6 months release cycle. That's why. It doesn't mean that you have to download a new ISO and burn a new cd. Just update and the system is automatic upgraded to version 8.04.1.

I tested some other distro's the last 2 week who all have the latest linux kernel 2.6.24-xx and they all seem to have a problem here and there. Mandriva is one of them. Opensuse Beta 1 already uses the 2.6.25 kernel, also had a look at this one and have to say it runs bloody well and fast. It's all a matter of time i believe before they smoothed the whole thing build around the new kernel.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby exploder on Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:54 pm

Hardy has some very serious bugs. I tested Hardy on three machines and all ended up with a screen full of Network Manager errors. I submitted one of the two bug reports pertaining to this issue. The developer's seem to have no idea what is causing the problem, the bugs status is "Low" and one developer commented that the bug is only cosmetic! I was not impressed...

Floppy drive support is not working in Hardy at all. I submitted two bug reports on this. The first bug report was merged with one regarding a CD-ROM issue? I submitted another bug report, the priority was finally set to "Low" and again no answers. This bug really makes Hardy look bad to me because previous releases did not have this issue.

I can understand why Firefox 3 beta 5 was used and in my opinion it was a good decision because when Firefox 3 goes final it will be updated.

There are a lot of user's with NVidea cards having problems with their resolution and compiz.

If you try and change your GDM Theme in Hardy be prepared to wait a very long time for the application to open the first time you use it! There is a known bug in this that was left unfixed.

These are just some of the most obvious bugs. I went through the entire development process, what a nightmare! I have never seen so much breakage in my life! Hardy is in no way ready to become an enterprise solution, it is more of a beta.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby linuxviolin on Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:08 pm

Mathius Quest wrote:Okay, it might seem for some folks that Hardy Heron is not finished yet. Why do you think that they will release a "Service Pack 1" on the 3rd of July? Yes, there will be a Ubuntu 8.04.1 release on that date. This will improve the stability and usability.

Yes... 8.04.1 in July, pretty much like with Windows, where you shouldn't use a release before SP1, and even then... :twisted:
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby belovedmonster on Thu May 01, 2008 3:41 am

I dont like this service pack style of updates, it seems to take away one of the big advantages of using Linux.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby sundayrefugee on Thu May 01, 2008 2:02 pm

exploder wrote:Hardy has some very serious bugs. I tested Hardy on three machines and all ended up with a screen full of Network Manager errors. I submitted one of the two bug reports pertaining to this issue. The developer's seem to have no idea what is causing the problem, the bugs status is "Low" and one developer commented that the bug is only cosmetic! I was not impressed...

Floppy drive support is not working in Hardy at all. I submitted two bug reports on this. The first bug report was merged with one regarding a CD-ROM issue? I submitted another bug report, the priority was finally set to "Low" and again no answers. This bug really makes Hardy look bad to me because previous releases did not have this issue.

I can understand why Firefox 3 beta 5 was used and in my opinion it was a good decision because when Firefox 3 goes final it will be updated.

There are a lot of user's with NVidea cards having problems with their resolution and compiz.

If you try and change your GDM Theme in Hardy be prepared to wait a very long time for the application to open the first time you use it! There is a known bug in this that was left unfixed.

These are just some of the most obvious bugs. I went through the entire development process, what a nightmare! I have never seen so much breakage in my life! Hardy is in no way ready to become an enterprise solution, it is more of a beta.


Just more of the same of what I'm used to from Cannonical. This is exactly what I was talking about when we were discussing my reluctance to even bother trying to report bugs for Hardy, based on my past experiences. Their beurocratic bug-fixing system only gives excuses, not fixes, and ranges from "Meh", "Nobody uses that anyway", to "We'll be sure to fix that in one of the next few releases."

Yeah.

This is yet another reason why it just stuns me that anyone would want to base their work on Ubuntu ;)
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby Husse on Thu May 01, 2008 2:49 pm

Well - take away the bugs and it's actually quite good :wink:
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby exploder on Thu May 01, 2008 3:06 pm

Some of it is good. I hope Clem has some ideas on avoiding these bugs in Mint 5.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby sundayrefugee on Thu May 01, 2008 7:22 pm

Indeed, that's what's amazing about Clem's work with any given Ubuntu cycle - it's *always* missing the Ubuntu bugs. I don't know how he does it, but it's bloody amazing. Ubuntu Gutsy was a disaster. Daryna? Pure Genius. *That's* the magic of Mint ;-)
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby clem on Sat May 03, 2008 11:32 pm

Well... hold on a second here :) Don't expect miracles... the focus here is on the desktop, not on fixing hardware support and all. I don't want people to get disappointed. We're working hard, but we're mostly focusing on the desktop. If some hardware isn't supported well in Ubuntu, most likely we'll inherit the same problem and we don't have the resource to basically patch Ubuntu the way they patch Debian...

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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby yamawho on Sun May 04, 2008 2:44 pm

Sounds good clem 8)

I have Hardy running fine on 3 systems;

DVD burning OK
FireFox OK
Networking OK
MP3 & XViD playback OK
Printing to windows shared printer OK
aMSN OK
Transmission OK

I have not had any Firefox 3 issues yet but did notice some little things ...
Like the download window does not have a button to clear the downloads.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby exploder on Sun May 04, 2008 6:57 pm

You were one of the lucky ones!

Here are some statistics on Hardy.

View Poll Results: What was your hardy install/upgrade experience ?
Upgrade - worked flawlessly 199 12.68%
Upgrade - worked but had few things to solve 459 29.25%
Upgrade - got many problems which i've not been able to solve 276 17.59%
Install - worked flawlessly 144 9.18%
Install - worked but had few things to solve 250 15.93%
Install - got many problems which i've not been able to solve 241 15.36%


1,569 people voted.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby yamawho on Sun May 04, 2008 9:42 pm

That is interesting ...

It would be nice to know the hardware differences.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby mplumridge22 on Mon May 05, 2008 11:10 am

Ive got a sony vaio laptop and ive tried to run hardy heron both kubuntu and ubuntu. They both install on my hard drive but both freeze when they should boot.

I will stick to mint 4 until things improve

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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby micpet on Mon May 05, 2008 1:06 pm

I second the motion on hardware info. I, too, have a sony vaio: VGN-FS980, about 2 1/4 years old. All intel. I have experienced very few problems with ant OS I have installed. I think it is the hardwrare. At this point it seems Ubuntu has problems with hardware that begins with the letter A: Asurus, atheros, ATI, AMD, etc.

Yes I feel I am lucky. But my Hardy is starting to do some strange things now. Do you remember how Miro kicked out all the time? The fix was to replace sun-java6 plugin with icedtea-java7. Neither plugin is solving this same problem with flash sites like You tube, now. But the problem only started appearing after hardy had been running for better than a week.

On the other hand, I have an 8 year old Gateway desktop. Hardy runs flawlessly on it. It even fixed a boot screen resolution problem I had with all previous ubuntu installs. It also is booting faster than my much newer laptop. Some of that has to do with damage to HD caused by Vista. I hope I am never forced back to MS again!

Go figure. Linux Mint still holds the record for best performance. only problems I have incurred were directly related to the install disk. It has a bad habit of stopping short of fully booting on live CD. Strange. Looking forward to Mint 5 very much.
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Re: Hardy Heron

Postby ksousa on Mon May 05, 2008 5:06 pm

I've tried heron since his beta and with my linksys wireless never the things go straight ... but after the last upgrade she stoped to work ... well in the same computer i've mint daryna and everything his ok since many time before. Strange ... :roll:
And the eye candy of ubuntu is always the same boring thing (more compiz less compiz the artwork guys must be without any ideas of his job), for example i'm with mandriva 2008.1 in my laptop and the only word i've his...amazing!!!
But really i prefer mint and mandriva is until Elyssa, that i hope will be the best distro for 2008 ... but Clem in my country people says that the eyes eat as well the mouth ... eye candy and out of box are not enemies i presume :mrgreen:
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