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What distro to try?

Postby xvedejas on Tue May 06, 2008 10:35 pm

I have two blank CDs laying around. One is reserved for Elyssa Mint 5.0. That means I have one left. One.

And I want to use it, and I want to use it well. I want to use it to try a Linux distribution that I have never tried before.

Anyways, I don't know which one to try. I don't really care so much what it is, as long as it is different than mint so I can learn more about the world of Linux. Here are my guidelines;

1. It has to work with my wireless card out of the box (I think it uses the rt2x00 drivers or something like that). For comparison, Ubuntu 7.04 doesn't work it the card at all, 7.10 works a little bit, and 8.04 has it right on. Linux mint 4.0 works, and whatever the latest version of Sabayon is works. This I need working out of the box, but I don't care so much about other things like graphics acceleration as long as I can set it up later.
2. Whatever it is, it needs to have a somewhat decent package manager thingy. I don't care rpm/deb-based or whatever, I just want the ease that synaptic gives in Mint
3. It needs to be 32-bit, of course. I don't care what window manager or desktop environment it uses; I currently use Gnome, but I'm ready to try anything new.
4. It needs to have reasonable online support/community and the project needs to still be alive.

What do you guys suggest? openSUSE, Fedora, PCLOS, Arch, CentOS, Gentoo, Slackware, what? I don't really know these distros at all so I need your help in finding the one that will be the best in getting to know Linux a bit more, I guess.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby Nomad on Tue May 06, 2008 10:51 pm

CDR or CDRW? If the latter then try them all :)
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby lakehousetech on Tue May 06, 2008 10:56 pm

CentOS is an enterprise distribution, but would be good to learn if you ever plan on working with servers. I would check out something like Fedora, since it's quite different from Mint and PCLOS...etc. Then again, CD-R's are wicked cheap.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby GoustiFruit on Wed May 07, 2008 3:09 am

Mandriva.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby badmotor on Wed May 07, 2008 3:32 am

GoustiFruit wrote:Mandriva.


+1. I have just been trying Mandriva One 2008 from the live CD and am very impressed. Definitely work taking a look - wouldn't connect to the internet on my machine off the cd though. Not sure why that is.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby Guest on Wed May 07, 2008 4:06 am

Try something thats not Debian. I would suggest something slackware based, maybe try wolvix, available in XFCE and Fluxbox on a 500mb iso.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby exploder on Wed May 07, 2008 4:21 am

I suggest Fedora 9 when the final release comes out. Fedora 9 really has some interesting differences.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby ed@Mint on Wed May 07, 2008 6:18 am

If you really want to learn more about Linux, try Arch, Slackware or Gentoo, but those distros don't make things run out of the box :wink:
Otherwise, my vote goes to Fedora.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby miket on Wed May 07, 2008 6:45 am

Hi Xvedejas,

xvedejas wrote:I have two blank CDs laying around. One is reserved for Elyssa Mint 5.0. That means I have one left. One.

And I want to use it, and I want to use it well. I want to use it to try a Linux distribution that I have never tried before.


If you want to try something different then take a look at Slax .... http://www.slax.org/ ...
It is a very small, fast but fully functional distro ...

xvedejas wrote:so I need your help in finding the one that will be the best in getting to know Linux a bit more


Well what is wrong with Mint ? After all it is Linux as are all the other distro's ... why not delve into your Linux Mint setup a little deeper and get
to know the real operating system lurking just under the surface of the GUI interface ;)

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Re: What distro to try?

Postby rivenought on Wed May 07, 2008 8:40 am

Besides Mint, I would have to suggest Mandriva or PCLinuxOS. Those Live CDs have always worked flawlessly on every piece of hardware I have thus far tested. openSUSE is great, but it really shines best when you install from the DVD (4.2 GB). The openSUSE Live CDs (both KDE and GNOME) have been problematic in certain instances. Though, once installed and configured properly (after about 5 hours), openSUSE is fantastic. Good luck and have fun.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby kanishka on Wed May 07, 2008 12:29 pm

I'd suggest Sidux for a real on-the-edge Debian experience; otherwise, I'd try Mandriva, XFCE edition!
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby micpet on Wed May 07, 2008 2:23 pm

For some real eye candy try Sabayon.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby Ookami on Wed May 07, 2008 6:29 pm

Sabayon is a LiveDVD, not a CD. You could try getting the slimmed-down version (which I'd actually recommend, I used to be a Sabayon advocate) plus it's gentoo so you're bound to get a lot of experience through it, but... there's not that much difference, really. It's just a big red mint with the feature-rich KDE instead of streamlined Gnome.

Why not use the spare CD to try an altogether different Operating System? Like BSD or Solaris or Minix, or even the likes of BeOS and Haiku and Darwin, and even GNU (Hurd) - get a bit of history down your disk drive :)
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby xvedejas on Wed May 07, 2008 7:11 pm

I think I'll try fedora when it comes out. After that I'll be sure to get some more CDs! :)
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby NoClue! on Wed May 07, 2008 9:18 pm

Why don't you install virtual box from the portal, no need to burn, your blank cd's will thank you.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby sundayrefugee on Wed May 07, 2008 9:35 pm

Ookami wrote:Sabayon is a LiveDVD, not a CD. You could try getting the slimmed-down version (which I'd actually recommend, I used to be a Sabayon advocate) plus it's gentoo so you're bound to get a lot of experience through it, but... there's not that much difference, really. It's just a big red mint with the feature-rich KDE instead of streamlined Gnome.

Why not use the spare CD to try an altogether different Operating System? Like BSD or Solaris or Minix, or even the likes of BeOS and Haiku and Darwin, and even GNU (Hurd) - get a bit of history down your disk drive :)


Lots of mistakes here.

Sabayon is available as both a live DVD and a live CD. I can prove it. I have a LiveCD in both x86 and AMD64 versions.

It's not just Gentoo, it's *forked* from Gentoo *unstable*, but is unable to do a proper emerge. And if you don't know what package masking is in unstable, you're in for BIG problems.

Not much difference? How could it be *more* different? At least with SuSE, Fedora, or PCLOS, you're going from one binary distro to another, the only difference being the format - RPM vs DEB. In Gentoo, you're compiling from source. *That's* different ;)

"A big red Mint" couldn't be a statement any further from the truth! I wouldn't recommend it personally (I'd recommend Gentoo proper, instead), but come on. That's a wopper there!

As for the others - BSD: good. Solaris: it might actually even *work* if you have the magical hardware combo that supports it at the moment, and you don't need much in the way of packages. Minix3: a great way to see what Fluxbox would have looked like, if it were made in the '60's - *if* the microkernel works on your hardware. BeOS: Died 10 years ago. Good luck getting that one going. Darwin: Why would you even mention this one? Another dead project that was never even completed. Hurd: still vaporware, 20 years later - let me know if you get it working ;) Those suggestions are largely a waste of this person's time, as they're just looking to try out a different Linux ;)
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby Ookami on Thu May 08, 2008 7:52 am

sundayrefugee wrote:
Ookami wrote:Sabayon is a LiveDVD, not a CD. You could try getting the slimmed-down version (which I'd actually recommend, I used to be a Sabayon advocate) plus it's gentoo so you're bound to get a lot of experience through it, but... there's not that much difference, really. It's just a big red mint with the feature-rich KDE instead of streamlined Gnome.

Why not use the spare CD to try an altogether different Operating System? Like BSD or Solaris or Minix, or even the likes of BeOS and Haiku and Darwin, and even GNU (Hurd) - get a bit of history down your disk drive :)


Lots of mistakes here.

Sabayon is available as both a live DVD and a live CD. I can prove it. I have a LiveCD in both x86 and AMD64 versions.


“You could try getting the slimmed-down version, which I'd actually recommend, I used to be a Sabayon advocate.”

sundayrefugee wrote:It's not just Gentoo, it's *forked* from Gentoo *unstable*, but is unable to do a proper emerge. And if you don't know what package masking is in unstable, you're in for BIG problems.

Thanks for that.

sundayrefugee wrote:Not much difference? How could it be *more* different? At least with SuSE, Fedora, or PCLOS, you're going from one binary distro to another, the only difference being the format - RPM vs DEB. In Gentoo, you're compiling from source. *That's* different ;)

You can still compile from source in Debian-based and RPM-based distros - I regularly do.

sundayrefugee wrote:"A big red Mint" couldn't be a statement any further from the truth! I wouldn't recommend it personally (I'd recommend Gentoo proper, instead), but come on. That's a wopper there!

I'm basing this on the community, not the OS itself. Both take a pre-existing established distro, and add their own ways of doing things. Mint adds the Mint-tools and software repos and portal, Sabayon adds its own package manager (Entropy), so it's a little bigger.
The artwork is redder, too.

sundayrefugee wrote:As for the others - BSD: good. Solaris: it might actually even *work* if you have the magical hardware combo that supports it at the moment, and you don't need much in the way of packages. Minix3: a great way to see what Fluxbox would have looked like, if it were made in the '60's - *if* the microkernel works on your hardware. BeOS: Died 10 years ago. Good luck getting that one going. Darwin: Why would you even mention this one? Another dead project that was never even completed. Hurd: still vaporware, 20 years later - let me know if you get it working ;) Those suggestions are largely a waste of this person's time, as they're just looking to try out a different Linux ;)


BSD - good indeed.
Solaris - works on x86, might as well have a go and see what it's like.
Minix3 - might as well have a go and see what it was like.
BeOS - might as well have a go and see what it was like. Plus, Haiku.
Darwin - might as well (&c.)... And I'll let Apple know its flagship operating system was never completed.
Hurd - Linux provides the kernel for the rest of GNU, might as well have a go and see what it is like.

I know they're a waste of time, they're history :P

So, erm... apart from knowing you can't emerge on Sabayon, I can't see many mistakes.
Being a novice user, I didn't know doing an emerge was going to break my Sabayon, especially as I regularly did it to compile a lot of extra programs :(
Thanks for the info, I'll make sure to use Entropy from now on.
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xvedejas wrote:I think I'll try fedora when it comes out. After that I'll be sure to get some more CDs! :)


Fedora is gorgeous, if you can handle the bleeding-edge nature of it, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby sundayrefugee on Thu May 08, 2008 2:42 pm

Heh. If you actually think there's a *useable* synergy between the uncompleted and dead Darwin project and OSX, then PLEASE, by all means, be my guest and run it ;) :lol:

"Letting Apple know thier flagship OS was never completed", in reference to an end-usable Darwin project, is an absurd strawman. They are two different things. It simply means you haven't done enough research with regard to Darwin, it's relation to OSX, and where Darwin now stands. Grab some info on that, please, before you make a remark like that aimed at me, eh?
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby MagnusB on Thu May 08, 2008 3:56 pm

sundayrefugee wrote: Hurd: still vaporware, 20 years later - let me know if you get it working ;)

http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install
Still a bit complex install, but I seem to remember some students made this process allot easier last year or something, not sure. And Hurd is actively developed, and is usable today, but there need to be someone implementing it, for now it is only debian who has a Hurd branch, if you want something else you need HFS (Hurd From Scratch :)).
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Re: What distro to try?

Postby rfpa on Thu May 15, 2008 12:40 pm

You could try Pardus, the second best Linux distribution I ever tried, only second to Mint. They have incredible own created features! A must look! :)

They have two cd's. One is a Live Cd and another the installation cd (Kurulan).

http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php
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