I would like to know what you guys think of Win?
No ... I only hate the stupid people who use Micro$oft products and then enforce their stupid broken standards upon the rest of us; e.g. all those stupid web pages which are "optimised" for Internet Explorer, a totally broken browser which has a horrible record of being a security nightmare and totally not compliant to many important web standards.manishk wrote:Most of the time I get the feeling that people using Linux just outrightly hate Win!
You are badly misinformed and a lot of what you say is plain FUD.Uncle Bob wrote:But hey, I'm not complaining; I'm just saying it as it is.
Come on scorp, you're not serious are you? If I'm so misinformed why don't you inform me correctly then? My comments are based on my own experiences. The problems I was hinting at I experienced on a Sony vaio s4xp, a compaq evo n600c, a hp compaq nc6000 and now a dell lattitude d620. With the evo I used a cisco aironet pcmcia wifi card. You then go on to say I mostly speak FUD. Do not make such comments if you cannot back it up with relevant facts. F and U, not at all; D, maybe a little. However, if this is the case as you say. Why am I still here? Why am I still using Linux, or more importantly Mint?scorp123 wrote:You are badly misinformed and a lot of what you say is plain FUD.
Yes I know that. Sony as an example are NOT one of them. I even made a comical tongue-in-cheek comment along those lines on another thread which I called a conspiracy.scorp123 wrote:The reason some hardware doesn't work under Linux is that Microsoft has a strangehold on many hardware vendors...
Out of curiosity; who are these vendors? Are these machines available in any High Street shop? What about when buying individual components ie mobo's, procs, memory, graphics, wifi cards etc. Who should I avoid and who's OK to buy from when I build my next custom desktop?scorp123 wrote:...you can always buy hardware from vendors who 100% support Linux; on such hardware Linux works perfectly out of the box, way way way way better than Windows.
Microsoft Update; 3 clicks; Start - All Programs - Microsoft Update. However to be fair, Linux Updates does a similar job.scorp123 wrote:No hunting for drivers, no downloading of some stupid setup.exe from somewhere somehow
That is debatable and I will take it with a pinch of salt until I experience that for myself.scorp123 wrote:you just put in your Live CD or your Linux install CD and everything works out of the box.
Here we go thenUncle Bob wrote: If I'm so misinformed why don't you inform me correctly then?
And so are mine.Uncle Bob wrote: My comments are based on my own experiences.
I have a Sony Vaio C1 VFK here (works out of the box), I have a hp Omnibook 4150b here (works out of the box), I have a hp Omnibook 6200vt here (works out of the box), I have a Compaq Evo N610c here (works out of the box for the most parts; WLAN needs an additional driver: there is an automatic script; execute it and you're done, compiling and installing the driver happens automagically for you in the background!), I have a hp dv2108ea Laptop here (works out of the box with the exception of the webcam: the "UVC" drivers are not 100% finished yet but it's just a question of time; other than that this machine just works), I have a Compaq Evo 510 e-PC (works out of the box), I have multiple hp ProLiant ML-xxx servers (work perfectly!) with tons of memory and additional gadgets (SCSI, tape drives, SATA disks, storage libs, and and and ...), I helped many people to get various distros of Linux working on their machines (be that laptops, desktops or servers) .... All in all I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about.Uncle Bob wrote: The problems I was hinting at I experienced on a Sony vaio s4xp, a compaq evo n600c, a hp compaq nc6000 and now a dell lattitude d620. With the evo I used a cisco aironet pcmcia wifi card. You then go on to say I mostly speak FUD.
See above.Uncle Bob wrote: Do not make such comments if you cannot back it up with relevant facts.
Oh really? Read your posting up there again please. You complained that Linux is kinda "harder" to learn (= Fear; because it's different than Windows?). And then you make statements such as "even though Linux is lightyears behind in the proper utilisation of all hardware components in any given PC" although you are apparently aware why this is like that in some cases ... And then the following statement "I will always keep Windows until such a day comes that I can do everything I can do in Windows with Linux. Besides Windows is a lot more user friendly to a novice user compared with that of Linux."Uncle Bob wrote: F and U, not at all;
And for this you deserve to be praised ... it's just the points above that bothered me there, OK?Uncle Bob wrote: D, maybe a little. However, if this is the case as you say. Why am I still here? Why am I still using Linux, or more importantly Mint?
Take HP for example. Most of their printers should work with Linux, most of them even work "Perfectly". Most of their laptops work tip top too, with minor annoyances such as the webcam not working on the very newest model lines (e.g. my dv2108ea) or the soundcard not yet being 100% supported ... but these are minor things and just a question of time. The HP desktops and servers we have in our office work 100% with Linux. The first thing I can do when I unpack a new server is to throw away the Windows driver disks ... I will never need them. The current Linux kernels have all the drivers I need. The only thing I here and there have to download from the HP web site is some proprietary network management stuff (e.g. in case the server in question needs to be constantly monitored), but that's about it. (yes, I agree: I am totally biased pro-HP ... I work day-in and day-out with their hardware ... )Uncle Bob wrote: Out of curiosity; who are these vendors?
There are plenty of websites around that will list what's compatible and what isn't. There are wikis such as this one: http://vendors.bluwiki.org/ ... or this: http://www.linux-drivers.org/Uncle Bob wrote: What about when buying individual components ie mobo's, procs, memory, graphics, wifi cards etc. Who should I avoid and who's OK to buy from when I build my next custom desktop?
Really depends on the hardware vendor and the hardware component in question. Believe me: I learned the hard way tooUncle Bob wrote: That is debatable and I will take it with a pinch of salt until I experience that for myself.
That's perfectly OK ... From time to time I use my stinger, yes. How dare I call myself "scorp" otherwise?? And yes, from time to time I am cruel and an extremist, forcing people into conflicts they didn't even want to be involved in ... very sorry about that, but it is my natureUncle Bob wrote: scorp, you are forcing me ...
Many of those actually did everything themselves for the most part, they just had minor issues they couldn't (yet) figure out. Other Windows-converts were a bit confused because they tried to apply some bad Windows-habits ... which of course didn't quite work so well. But once you show them how things are done correctly they find this stuff easy. All it takes is an open mindUncle Bob wrote: "I helped many people to get various distros of Linux working on their machines". If Linux was that easy, why did people require your expertise to get it done? They could have done in themselves.
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