Re: Linux Mint in jeopardy
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:28 pm
I meant for their primary build!Brahim wrote: Debian is already part of Mint http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=14
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I meant for their primary build!Brahim wrote: Debian is already part of Mint http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=14
Well first of all, you're being very defensive and unnecessarily hostile. This often happens when I talk to "true Ubuntu fans" who are so attached to Ubuntu that they are unable to think rationally, so whenever anyone questions or points out any flaws in Ubuntu, they become increasingly hostile... please try to avoid this behaviour so we can all have a cordial and rational discussion here.craig10x wrote:@xenopeek, sam riggs and martymint: a big +1 to you all....
I'm afraid dee will never "get it"
It doesn't grab keystrokes...it is simply a search...like as if you searched on amazon for something....it finds items that relate to things you look for on the dash search...sure it shows little images....how else could it display it in the dash? not as text obviously...they are little ad pictures...it's sort of like targeted ads you see on your web browser...works much in the same fashion...
It's not a non-issue just because you don't care about it. It's still turned on by default. Think of someone who is using windows 8, gets tired of all the adware and crap of dealing with microsoft, then decides to try Ubuntu... and what does they see first? They see ads when they try to launch programs. Some of these people will turn back and never try Linux again after that.And you can either remove it in the software center in about 1 minute (it's called unity-shopping lens) OR go to privacy and turn off all internet access on the dash completely...so it is a total non issue...frankly if one uses ubuntu and doesn't send an occasional donation, they should leave it on, just to help out the development of ubuntu a bit...
Cute, but this sounds like an excuse. "Oh, but you don't have to use the dash..." Except when you do. The dock can only hold so many icons comfortably, until it becomes so long that it's a pain to find things there. Desktop icons require you to go to the desktop, you can't use them with a simple 1-click action. What point is there in having an application launcher, if you have to make excuses for why you don't have to use it? Wasn't this dash supposed to be a great super-feature that makes Ubuntu attractive, not something that you have to sweep under the rug?Also, keep in mind this is the dash search only...not when you doing various other activities on your computer within the ubuntu os...
Frankly, i rarely even use the dash search...the best way to use the unity dock is to put all your favorite and most used apps on the dock for quick "1 click" access and then you will only use the search for those rarely used ones...
If by "getting it" you mean "agrees with your viewpoint" then no. I like to think with my own brain, not just sheepishly follow what Shuttleworth or Bacon say on their blogs.I (and most people) don't access their FILES from the dash, they go into nautilus directly...
Get it now, dee? (i doubt it)
Note that you're quoting about a 10% part of the post I wrote, getting attached to that one part, ignoring all the rest of the content. Maybe it's actually you who doesn't have anything worthwhile to contribute to the discussion? The person I was telling that had no problem with the remark, there was no need for you to play white knight for him.catweazel wrote:Do you have anything better to do than pass comment on completely unimportant attributes of someone's writing style?dee. wrote:First of all, please use paragraphs.
Not everyone is a Tolstoy or Proust.You can't get the language right yourself so you've got no place to correct anyone.dee. wrote:This is not even considering, that Ubuntu is placing itself separate from the rest of the desktop Linux ecosystem.
That's kind of a funny way of saying "sorry I was being such a tool", but ok, I'll take it.craig10x wrote:Sounds to me like you just have a lot of sour grapes about ubuntu, so there is no way i could convince you otherwise, in a hostile way or a gentle way, so no point in my going any further with you....we will just have to agree to disagree...
So then, you agree that the dash is useless? That it's not a good feature to have in an operating system?I don't use the dash search to search for files, i use nautilus for that...and the dash to me (and probably for most ubuntu users) is simply a place to go to ocassionally find some programs that don't use very often...
So you can pin everything you have on your computer on your dock? Well, if you only ever use 6-8 programs I guess that works for you... but I know from experience that the sidebar gets full very quickly whenever you have any more programs that you need to use. And let's not even go to games... what about when you have 20-30 games installed, how do you fit all of them in the sidebar? (Again, the only solution is a 3rd-party app (which "sort of works"), you seem to need quite a lot of those to make Unity even halfway usable...)Why would i want to keep jumping to the dash to bring up an app? that's a waste of time....if i want say "pidgin"...it's on there on the unity dock...1 click...there it is...why would i sit there and stop typing into the dash to get it? maybe you would...i would not...
Yeah, so what?I used to kde for a while and was on kubuntu and used the "kick off menu" (which i liked by the way)...i did the same thing there, pinned my favorites to kick off...i wasn't going to keep typing into it's search bar every time i wanted to bring up a program...that would be a big waste of time...
Well they don't, really... not in any meaningful capacity. You don't have to take my word for it, go ask Debian developers, they've publicly complained many times about Ubuntu not contributing their changes back, and when they try to contribute, they often do it as a single splash of code that ends up being rejected because it's so messy...You say things like "ubuntu doesn't contribute to upstream" which is a lot of bs...that in itself shows how much you dislike the distro...
Mint is not Ubuntu, it's a lot more than that. Mint is like taking all the good parts from Ubuntu, and throwing away all the crap. If there wasn't a need for an OS like Mint, it wouldn't exist and be so popular. Saying that "Mint is Ubuntu" is the same as saying "Ubuntu is Debian". Neither is true.Lastly, if you were so strongly against ubuntu, you should use debian...not linux mint main which is ubuntu...sure with changes, but it IS ubuntu there even if you try to pretend that it is not...it's like saying: i'll take advantage of ubuntu to the extent i want, even if my result is more to my liking (like mint)...in principal, you should not want to be associated with ubuntu in any shape, manner or form...
Nice way of backing out without actually addressing anything... Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that "Mint is Ubuntu" as much as "Ubuntu is Debian". Both are based on and derived from another distro. That is not the same thing as "being the same".craig10x wrote:Mint is ubuntu in a modified form...no point in my discussing this with you further as you attitude seems to be: don't give me any facts, my mind is already made up....i will leave this thread discussion now and let others try to fruitlessly discuss this with you...
ahh actually I was just being nice about your arrogance, I dealt with quite a few people like this before and the best way is just to ignore them, and it did come across like that, if that's not what you meant then cool if that's what you meant to be then hey what can I say.dee. wrote:Note that you're quoting about a 10% part of the post I wrote, getting attached to that one part, ignoring all the rest of the content. Maybe it's actually you who doesn't have anything worthwhile to contribute to the discussion? The person I was telling that had no problem with the remark, there was no need for you to play white knight for him.catweazel wrote:Do you have anything better to do than pass comment on completely unimportant attributes of someone's writing style?dee. wrote:First of all, please use paragraphs.
Not everyone is a Tolstoy or Proust.You can't get the language right yourself so you've got no place to correct anyone.dee. wrote:This is not even considering, that Ubuntu is placing itself separate from the rest of the desktop Linux ecosystem.
Use of paragraphs is not unimportant, trying to read huge walls of text with no paragraph breaks is really annoying and makes it hard to follow the discussion. I never complained about language or grammar, which makes your entire post sort of silly and childish.
I will structure my posts in any way I desire. You have no say in the matter.dee. wrote:ignoring all the rest of the content.