Gnome or KDE? and WHY?

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Postby hairy_Palms on Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:52 am

99.999% of gconf-keys have a gui available somewher on the internet that you can install if you REALLy want, personally there are some things id rather not bother to tweak.
GNOME rules
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Postby Flint on Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:07 am

GNOME works better for me. All the Ks in KDE just pull my nerves. It's too Windowsish. And personally I don't think that there's something that you can't tweak in GNOME.
The looks of GNOME suits my tastes better. And the networking isn't really that bad as a lot of people say.
I downloaded and installed Foresight Linux 1.1 just to take a look at GNOME 2.18 and liked it a lot. Not major changes, just a few tweaks but GNOME is good any way.
I'm looking forward to KDE 4. It looks promising but we'll see :) Until then:

GNOME Rulez! 8)
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Postby dracorX on Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:32 am

I use KDE...

Why? well, I like all the options it gives me for customising it. There are some saying they don't like exactly that, and this is a matter of preference.

Another reason I stay with kde is that I like the file dialogs better. Well I can't really get familiar with that going back and forth on paths. I mostly type the beginning.

just my cents
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Postby alexander on Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:04 pm

Konsole, Koffice, Konqueror...... AHHH!

KDE is actuelly made out of duplo ---> Image
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Postby Kadano on Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:30 pm

I prefer KDE. It's the main reason why I still use opensuse 10.2 and not Linux Mint 3.1, although it's installed.
I think Mint is superior to opensuse everywhere, but KDE has a clear overview (<3 Kcontrol), in gnome it's very hard for me to change anything and I don't like the standard look of Mint more than how you can configure KDE (I am talkin about THIS:
[url="http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5865/koreshotpng1lw2.png"]KORE by code2[/url])
. For sure, it looks far better than KDE right after install- thats really ugly, I admit- but in KDE everything is just where I expect it to be. Everything was easy to find from the beginning, but in Gnome I'm almost dieing when I boot mintlinux (I just HAVE to configure it but I just can't so I reboot opensuse).
I will remove opensuse when there is a mint version with KDE4 pre-installed. Although opensuse is not that good.
=>standard KDE is ugly in standard appearance, but it can be made fantastic. Gnome is moderate and can't be configured that easy.
=>There are some great K apps and I think KDE will be improved a lot with KDE 4- that's required since atm mos Gnome apps are much better than KDE apps.

That's what I think.
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Postby civint on Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:45 am

gnome all the way for me, it's easier to theme (imho) and it's less cluttered. Just because you can't see a menu for it doesn't mean you can't tweak it! The best configuration device is the CLI :roll: (if you know how to use it properly you can tweak anything on your system..just try and installing arch-omg it's hard work but damn, do you learn a lot).
KDE 4 will be a big draw for me, but i think I'll stick with gnome. The only downside is that gnome desklets suck-gdesklets, adesklets are the only halfway decent ones to use, and superkaramba still whupps them mightily...and kde 4 has them integrated into the desktop environment (drools...)
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Postby linuxviolin on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:00 am

KDE because Gnome is contaminated with Mono!
We do not want Microsoft technology in Linux! :twisted: :wink:
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Postby civint on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:36 am

imo, mono is a really good thing to happen to linux! Not only does it mean that we can write programs that windows users can also use (in some cases), it's also another step in taking high quality programming tools away from the proprietary markets grip!
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Postby linuxviolin on Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:09 am

I guess "Mono will die by proving itself without any use. You see, there's no "mature" mono application and there will never be, they don't have as much programmers as they need to."

All the mono apps got an alternative or a better app out there.

As someone said :D :
"Mono is irrelevant. Mono developers tried for years to do some kind of "revolutionary", full of marketing speech apps but they're just a useless bunch of monkeys. There is no NEED for any mono app"

high quality programming tools

High quality? my god!

Mono (or Gtk#, in the context) is like .NET (C#): something for the GUI, and even so, an architecture I don't like, I don't support and I don't use. And if you want to have lots of .exe and .dll files in your Linux box so you feel "at home" in linux, ok go ahead for Mono! :twisted:

Taken on the web because the guy speaks better than I :lol: :

"Mono is a ripoff of a ripoff of Java. Mono is slower than the HotSpot JVM and will always be because there's many great engineers that work on the JVM. The JVM is made by high caliber engineers, Mono is made mainly by people who really don't have the same kind of experience and competences.
And Java has two of the best Free IDE. Eclipse and Netbeans are years ahead of most of the others free software IDE.

Mono is freaking useless. Java does everything Mono does, but it has more apps, more free libraries, a bigger community, more good IDEs, a better VM, is made by Sun, the same company that brought to us OpenOffice, OpenSolaris and NFS. A company co-founded by one of the guys who worked on the first BSD os, Bill Joy. The same guy that wrote the VI editor.
The heads behind Java includes one of the creators of Scheme, the functional language, Guy Steele. And the guy who wrote the first Unix version of Emacs, James Gosling.
And it has the GCJ native compiler that's getting better months by months.

The guys who work at Sun are much more impressive than the Ximian guys and now, Java is free. What can we ask more ?
Even when Java was proprietary i didn't have much hate for it. It's one of the most open development platform from the proprietary world, and it's not surprising given who's at Sun. Why it's open ? just compare the BREW C++ development platform for mobile phones with Java. It's easy and very "cheap" (free as in beer) to start the development of a J2ME app. It cost you an arm and a leg to start development on BREW.

And even if you can't do everything you want with it, you had the sources of Java. You could compile it on your system, you just couldn't distribute it. Os that were unsupported like FreeBSD just required you to compile the sources.

That's years ahead of the Microsoft world, where everything is so closed."
K.I.S.S. ===> "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
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Postby GoustiFruit on Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:26 am

I removed almost every mono libraries and references from my system, but some are still needed. I did tis when I saw that TomBoy was using something like 18MB of RAM on my system ! Ok TomBoy looks nice, but I don't use it and if I had to use something like that, I think I would choose something lighter !
Also, the previous mono "bug" was Beagle, I think almost everyone agreed to remove it from Mint, it was such a resource hog...

BTW, I also removed JRE but that's another story. I don't use any java at all so...
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Postby linuxviolin on Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:23 am

OK good GoustiFruit :lol:

You say about Beagle: "it was such a resource hog"... yes and an evil concept and a poorly-written app.
It's slow and it's full of memory leaks. It's written in a language designed for GUI application, not daemon running in your back. And the project Tracker, written in C, will make it irrelevant. (it already did!)

And the Beagle package includes 15 .exe files and 10 .dll files (see at http://packages.debian.org/etch/beagle/i386/filelist) - again (sorry if I repeat myself) exactly what you needed to feel "at home" in Linux! :twisted:

Java is another story but a better... :D
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Postby linuxviolin on Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:29 pm

To see another view about Gnome and KDE (the subject of this topic): http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html

The article concludes with

What, as desktop Linux users, do you think about this matter? Would you rather have an easy-to-use universal interface, like GNOME, which makes customizing the system harder? Or, the more power-user stylings of KDE?


Go to KDE! KDE power! :lol:
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Go to KDE

Postby dracorX on Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:20 am

Go to KDE! I second that ... Though I may be biased
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Re: Gnome or KDE? and WHY?

Postby belovedmonster on Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:54 pm

NiksaVel wrote:It's really bugging me and I just can't decide wether to stick with gnome or KDE...


It will be interesting to see if KDE4 will sway you once its out. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Postby civint on Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:44 pm

kde4 will most probably convert me. I'm waiting for kde daryana to be released ( i know, i know, we're still in beta) since gnome is annoying me somewhat these days, although i prefer it to kde last time I checked, it's just that KDE lets you do more with your wm a bit more easily. PLus I didn't try emerald with kde last time, which is a huge plus. That and the fact that I love konqueror.
And that KDE4 has desklets as pat of the desktop environment, rather than as seperate apps, leading to a bit of a strain on RAM.
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Postby linuxviolin on Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:58 pm

Unfortunately, I am not sure to like the way that takes KDE4. :roll:
Already, in view of the screenshots, I dislike Dolphin. :(

We will see how the final version will be ... :roll:
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Postby civint on Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:00 pm

lets be fair though, KDE is one of the most customisable desktops, IMO, so if you dislike dolphin, you could always change it....
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Postby linuxviolin on Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:37 pm

civint wrote:if you dislike dolphin, you could always change it

Yes of course civint I know that! :lol: even if not sure that this is the only thing... :roll:
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Postby civint on Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:46 am

well, if you don't like the kde philosophy/layout (where it puts config files is a little unintuitive..) then kde4 will probably only really be a major graphical overhaul, with some tweaking to the underneath bits and pieces, and how all the libfiles gel with the rest of the system. Gnome will proably remain a whole lot more stable...
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Postby linuxviolin on Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:17 am

civint wrote:kde4 will probably only really be a major graphical overhaul, with some tweaking to the underneath bits and pieces

It is precisely this "major graphical overhaut" and "tweaking" that I am afraid of not liking... :roll:
KDE 3.5.7 is good but KDE4 hmm... :roll: But waiting for the final version to really see and judge ... :wink:

civint wrote:Gnome will proably remain a whole lot more stable

In my PC KDE is very stable, no crashes at all. Absolutely perfect! :lol:
(and KDE is free of Mono. Gnome is polluted by Mono, it is Mono dependant :twisted: [except castrating it somewhat] I don't want Mono :wink: )

But yes KDE4 will probably not be stable and usable enough before 4.1 or 4.2
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