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Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby noob707 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:06 am

A few days ago Ubuntu's 9.10 alpha 6 was released. After reading through some of the bigger changes here, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6, and not the blueprints, some features that were added will make a big difference in battery life, performance, boot time and the new user login interface is faster and will help for a speedier boot. Some of these new features where mentioned in Alpha 5, but i am gonna add them anyways.

Upstart: Upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running.
http://upstart.ubuntu.com/

IM: Transitted to Empathy which introduces the Telepathy Framework
http://live.gnome.org/Empathy

GDM: The gdm 2.27.91 login manager is a complete rewrite compared to the version in earlier Ubuntu releases.

xsplash: No more Usplash(the boot splash screen), now this will be faster startup where a boot screen in not needed, Ubuntu starts you will see a black screen, after the BIOS POST, followed by the X-based splash screen (xsplash)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meZBPItW ... edded#t=26

hal deprecation(no more hal): for power management, laptop hotkeys, handling of storage devices and cameras maps has moved from hal to "DeviceKit-power", "DeviceKit-disks" and "udev"

intel video driver: The Intel video driver has switched from the "EXA" acceleration method to the new "UXA". This solves major performance problems of Ubuntu 9.04, but could use further testing to flag any regressions it may bring.

AppArmor: AppArmor is faster, read the whole list go to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor

Grub 2: Now uses Grub2 over GRUB "Legacy" boot loader. But there is a problem in the Grub2 where is doesn't recognize any other operating system(Windows, Linux, etc) because of os-prober not being installed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... bug/430141

And always, there is newer packages(GCC 4.4), Kernel 2.6.31-9.29, Gnome GNOME 2.27.91 development release, ext4 default filesystem, and etc.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:48 am

They have a long way to go to get all that working! Ubuntu 9.10 is a total mess right now. I still have to run a manual fsck before it will load for the first time. Empathy is completely useless. Applications randomly crash for no apparent reason. Xsplash is not present, only the throbber has been added and the artwork does not even match.

Intel graphics work alright if you can keep the system running. I normally will run the Ubuntu development release at this stage but not this time, it is just too unstable. Time will tell if this release will be any better than the last but it really needs a lot of work.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:05 pm

Well, Ubuntu releases seem to run in phases: LTS are (usually) really stable (relatively speaking of course); LTS+1 are crammed full of all the stuff that didn't make it into LTS so it's quite unstable; LTS+2 usually hit a good middle ground, reasonably stable, but good new features; LTS-1 are crammed full of as much new stuff as possible, especially if it replaces legacy stuff they don't want to support in the upcoming LTS, meaning it's quite unstable.

I think it's a good way to do it, since those who want stability but also a reasonable amount of features can upgrade in Spring or Summer each year, and can bet on stuff working fairly easily (except Jaunty & Intel). The LTS-1 release being so unstable is basically what enables LTS to be more stable, as it "forces" everyone to test the new stuff and report bugs for it. For instance, I was fairly happy installing Hardy beta in easter hols, since I knew it wouldn't stop me working, but I won't be using Karmic beta as my main OS, because it would be suicide, so I'll just try it in a virtual machine.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:21 pm

I ran Karmic in a virtual machine and would not even consider using it as a main OS at this point. :D You are right, it would be suicide! I have to wonder sometimes if Microsoft is paying the Ubuntu developers to put this stuff together. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby noob707 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:44 pm

I am just saying that Ubuntu Devs are changing a lot of the inner workings of the OS and making their code extremely new. The implemation of new Power Manager, Storage DEvice, hotkeys, etc and New MAC handler and also a Upstart from Daemon to handle resources and processes will take time to get fully usable as it's new. They have to change basically the who inner workings of their code and a lot of who the OS handles operations. Yes Karmic is Suicide but if they can get all these new feature stable, i think it would be a hell of an OS.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby vrkalak on Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:56 pm

I assume that a few short weeks after the final release of Ubuntu 9.10 ... the new LinuxMint-8 Helena will be out.

I also, assume that Helena will have all the new features and apps by default, that are in Karmic Koala?
As well as, the new Linux 2.6.30 kernel and Grub2
All these things ... only "Mint-ified"

I can hardly wait :mrgreen: Come on, Helena
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:20 pm

noob707: Upstart has been included in Ubuntu for a while now. And Fedora has been using DeviceKit etc. for a while too, along with some of the other stuff mentioned. So while the code may be new to Ubuntu, not all of it is actually new, so it shouldn't be too bad, stability wise, it's just when they change many components at once that starts to cause problems. Anyway, I agree, it looks like Helena will be one hell of an upgrade from Gloria!

EDIT: ok, it appears I was wrong on the Upstart issue

vrkalak: yep, pretty much, though don't expect to see Ubuntu's Software Store in Mint, as it's pretty useless in Karmic at the moment, compared to mintInstall Oh also, it's kernel 2.6.31 in Karmic
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:25 pm

I just know that every time I shut down Karmic in Virtualbox I have to run fsck to be able to boot up again. If I run Fedora with all of it's cutting edge technology, it boots up every time. The Ubuntu Developers need to look at what Fedora is doing right.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:08 pm

I grabbed today's daily build of Karmic and I must say that there has been some amazing progress! The fsck problem seems completely fixed! Empathy is connecting to Yahoo chat now and working.My computer is using very little RAM even with Compiz enabled, that is a first for my machine! Some of the new artwork doesn't look half bad. The new theme and icons actually look pretty good. The default wallpaper looks grainy but they included some pretty decent looking wallpaper options and I found one that looks nice with everything else.

Multimedia playback is working good, pod casts now play good in Firefox 3.5.3. The Intel issue appears to be fixed, now flash works in full screen without having to jump through hoops! I am really surprised because the system runs well and there is still plenty of development time left to work on remaining bugs. Ubuntu wants to be more competitive with MacOS and with the improvements they have made and a better default wallpaper they might just be able to meet that goal. The brown they used in the default theme actually looks pretty decent and it works better with a variety of wallpaper choices. The Humanity icons look much better than the icons Ubuntu was using, especially the folder icons.

The slide show that was added to the installer looks good, it really adds a touch of professionalism to the installer. I can sleep better now knowing that the base for our next set of releases if finally looking stable! :D

Edit: I have found a couple of remaining quirks. Every once in a while xsplash does not display. Once was because I forgot to close Firefox, kind of odd but it is still a beta. One of the applets, (forget which one) crashes every now and then. Totem will freeze up if I try and close it when I have music playing. These bugs are very minor compared to earlier betas and I should think that there is plenty of time to get these resolved. The fsck bug was one of the main things I was watching and it is fixed now.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby midas on Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:37 am

Mmm...finally good news. Thanks Exploder!
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sun Sep 27, 2009 6:54 am

Mmm...finally good news. Thanks Exploder!


Your welcome! Oh, it is the "Indicator applet that keeps crashing.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby GoustiFruit on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:16 am

Is Mono more and more integrated in Ubuntu ? This thing is pushing me out of Gnome more and more. :(
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:18 pm

GoustiFruit wrote:Is Mono more and more integrated in Ubuntu ? This thing is pushing me out of Gnome more and more. :(

It's not so much "more and more integrated" as there are more and more useful apps being written in mono, like gnome do.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby rhY on Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:03 pm

I don't understand the empathy choice. Pidgin is finally getting to the point where it might be able to compete with Skype, etc.. Why not support that and really make Linux a superior OS to Windows/Mac, even for n00b end users? The problem with Linux, and in particular Ubuntu/Debian is the sheer volume of competing apps, and how most of them are inferior to the solitary hegemonic option in Mac/Windows. Nero is a better burner than any of the Linux alternatives I've tried for instance. I recently discovered Audacious, which is on even footing with Winamp, so that's a good thing, but it's not the default app on any distro I've found.

The only default apps that really make Linux shine for the common end user in my opinion are Firefox, Pidgin, and Open Office Write, and now one of the main distros (Ubuntu) is talking about ditching Pidgin for some other also-ran.

I don't get it.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:27 pm

The reason empathy has been chosen over pidgin is its multimedia support. Most of the complaints I've seen online are that the newest version of pidgin now has video support, but they fail to notice that's only in the XMPP protocol (e.g. Google Talk) so it's far from being a skype-killer yet. The framework exists for more multimedia support in future Pidgin versions, but it doesn't work now in e.g. sip, whereas empathy does. Everyone has their favourite apps, and there seem to be a lot of people who seem to think that their app is better than all the alternatives, so should be the default. The reality is that gnome apps are going to be preferred to non-gnome apps because of the entire desktop integration (e.g. rhythmbox is more integrated, even if - for some - songbird is "better")
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby exploder on Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:31 pm

rhY , Empathy and Pidgin are installed by default now. Both apps and Evolution use the Indicator applet too.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 5:48 pm

exploder wrote:rhY , Empathy and Pidgin are installed by default now. Both apps and Evolution use the Indicator applet too.

well that's just weird, why duplicate functionality, it just uses more space on the liveCD. Ahh well, the beta will be out in a few days.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby vrkalak on Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:34 pm

I have recently installed Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala, Alpha 6, for testing and just plain playing around, in a dual-boot with LinuxMint-7

I first, downloaded the ISO files via torrent. (as a back-up, in case, the upgrade didn't go well)
Then, I installed Ubuntu 9.04 from a LiveCD I had from a Linux Magazine; on its own separate partition.
After that, I did an "apt update, apt upgrade-distro", through the Update Manager in Ubuntu.

The upgrade seemed to go well, but it did have a couple of minor glitches. Easily fixed.
I played around with it and screwed up the boot-loader, because it didn't recognize another OS (linuxmint)
I then re-partitioned and re-installed Karmic 9.10, Alpha 6 via the ISO CD, I had made earlier. Perfect!!
I recommend a 'fresh' install over an 'upgrade'.

I am really liking the new desktop and backgrounds, and a few extra features of the Linux Kernel 2.6.31-10 and Gnome 2.28 and even Grub2
Ubuntu Karmic is prettier and faster than its predecessor.

While I like Karmic 9.10, that doesn't mean that I will switch from LinuxMint . . . it only makes me more eager for the New LinuxMint-8 Helena.
And, what new features we can expect from Clem and the Mint Team in the compiling of Helena. I'm sure they will do an awesome job.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby emorrp1 on Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:41 pm

just came across this: http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/08/new-fe ... c-910.html it just goes to show that there're loads of little improvements coming (probably thanks to 100 papercuts) such that it's going to be really fun to discover these things all over the place.
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Re: Ubuntu Karmic Koala 9.10 Alpha 6-Nice Features

Postby rhY on Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:51 am

Improved Wine looks great! Why can't Canonical just FINISH Pidgin and make it default? It's 95% way to being the best IM program ever. It just needs 5% more elbow grease:

Working video/voice on Windows, and for all protocols, both in Linux AND Windows.
Facebook protocol inclusion.
Mild interface clean up.
Ability to join games with contacts (Urban Terror, Mupen64plus, Zsnes, Texas Hold'em....

If you could start a voice/video chat with any other pidgin user automagically just by knowing somebody's email, and on any OS, Pidgin would kill Skype once and for all (Skype kinda sucks anyway), and the last thing that makes me dual boot (Skype), would be solved.

I really don't understand why they haven't put more energy into this.

Other welcome additions: The improved wifi menu. ABOUT TIME! :)

Seriously, I'm a Mint Fanboy, and that means at the core, I'm an Ubuntu Fanboy too, but why always with the hideous orange and brown?
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