markfiend wrote:hinto wrote:Silverlight on Linux:
Heh. I completely removed mono from my Mint system.
hinto wrote:I haven't knowingly installed it. There are a few apps that already use it. (like Tomboy)
Thanks, FR. That's exactly the point I was trying to make about all the choices a Linux user has to make when none of the outcomes are known in advance - hardware AND software. MegaShaft is a blessing in some ways in that there aren't that many choices to start with, and 'most' of the outcomes are reasonably well known. At least there is a pretty well define 'beginning' path to learn. 10 years of experience, and you still get frustrated just trying to get a decent system running! Good luck!FedoraRefugee:
If this is the perspective a noob to Linux gets right off the bat then no wonder they do not stick around.
Webtest wrote:Hey, what is a good BASIC Linux tutorial for a very experienced computer user to chew on?
linXea wrote:You sure had some decent point in there, but I see something that I see way to often. From the point of view you're referring to linux in general you tend to compare linux vs windows on the same basic ground...
In fact linux doesn't aim to be a free version of windows and nor should it. The point of linux is to take an alternate path. I find it somewhat amusing that you compare stability between the platforms mac/linux/windows. Stability = a combined bundle of factors. If you would try others less on the edge distrobutions and then put some extra work on optimizing your system you'll most likely be amazed how stable it actually can be. I've been running linux on both servers and desktop since early 2002 and one of my servers is still <strong>running</strong>, reinstalled once or twice and rebooted 5-10 times/year (power cuts, thunderstorms etc...). Sure desktops can't be as stable because of all the extra applications open/idle/close all the time but still you'll most often find it really stable even that considered. From the windows perspective I can't say much 'cause of the simple reason that I've never used it.
The support for linux I would personally say is awesome. Yes, you could probably ask your friends for 'windows-advice' but I'm SURE that if you use IRC or any maillist you find out how fast you'll have your questions answered, and totally free of charge.
To use linux you more or less sign-up for giving something back, either in ways of spreading the word/word of mouth, or help others with common/uncommon issues you've already solved or even contribute with money.
Personally I rather pay a group of talented programmers trying to make a difference ... I've been involved with slackware since I've started using it almost 9 years ago but still I try to help others on different distrobutions just like here on linuxmint. I'd like to think I've been a reason for some people around here decided to not give up on linux right away, and actually pull through the first hard parts.
My point is that linux itself isn't responsible for driving people back/away to widows/mac/others. In my opinion everyone that use linux have a responsibility to help others and try to make the transition as easy as possible. I also want to point out that it's the transition that needs to be really easy with lots of kind help available and not aim to make linux a FREE version of windows. This is one thing that scares me personally about companies like canonical/ubuntu, the willingness to give up linux-spirit to become more windows-like. This is a step in the wrong direction.
owend wrote:Interesting thread to read! I'm 60 so my remaining grey cells aren't as nimble as some of the posters I've been reading, but I am computer-literate. I use the computer for basic stuff (wordprocessing, spreadsheeting, Internet, music management); no gaming or complex programming but I often have three or four full programs running at once (OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Rhythmbox all running at present) and Mint copes fine.
I migrated from Windows several years back, and after a few interims I now run Mint 8 on the desktop and Crunchbang on the netbook. Mint 8 simply, er, works. Sorry, distro-tinkerers! It worked straight out of the box (or iso) - it picked up the wired broadband with no input at all, printers the first time I used them with a few VERY simple questions, MP3 player with no setup needed, video after clicking once to get the latest NVidia driver.... I could go on, key point is it was far easier to get and set up drivers etc than Windows (I've tried XP and Vista - my first Microsoft OS was MS-DOS 1.20!!). Downloading new programs (when I'm bored I tinker) is generally one-click through Synaptic once I've found the program I want to try. And if it doesn't do what I want, I can try another: because they're free, I can try several until you get the one I like.
For Windows-migrators who are worried about compatibility, a few minutes easy work and OpenOffice saves as XP-compatible .doc, .xls etc ( not boosting Windows, but it IS the industry standard for now).
My wife is computer-phobic, but I've given her a separate user access (so she knows she can't mess the system up) and she browses and GoogleEarths away while I'm at work, and she doesn't even think about it being "exotic" or "geeky" - that's a bit of a label we bring on ourselves, I think. Linux (Mint, anyway) can be at a guess at most 75% as complex as Windows, more stable, most peripherals work, Windows-compatible programs available if you need Windows-compatibility. Also, 45 seconds from switch-on to a working desktop: Windows XP at work is up to FIVE MINUTES, depending on how many other people trying to log in at the same time, and people pay for that!
If you're buying or building a new computer, a few minutes checking on the compatibility websites beforehand will make sure you get printers, video cards etc that are Linux-compatible.
Last hint, for semi-computer-literates: get a book. I got Beginning Ubuntu (Thomas and Sicam); it's a bit lightweight in parts but that's good for a noob, and it's got a lot of help for the odd problems we'll all have at times. I write notes or stick bits in if I find hints and tips elsewhere, so the book is getting messy, but it's got a lot of help now!
Anyway, to summarise: Mint is the most straightforward and practical distro I've tried. Should meet most Windows-user's needs. Easily tweaked if necessary to meet more. Satisfying. Free. Stable.
How can we tell Windozers?
Happy Minting, all.
Also, 45 seconds from switch-on to a working desktop: Windows XP at work is up to FIVE MINUTES, depending on how many other people trying to log in at the same time, and people pay for that!
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