Ah! The classic "they laughed at Galileo" gambit. They laughed at the Three Stooges too, you know.mintnoob wrote:Just because the "general consensus" thinks I'm wrong, doesn't mean I'm wrong. These kinds of subject provoke a lot of pride, therefore will meet a lot of resistance. It's the classic "All truth goes through three steps: First it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."
mintnoob wrote:1) You are wrong about how low is the adoption rate for GNU/Linux in general.
2) If 1 fails, you are wrong about low adoption rates being a bad thing.
3) If 2 fails, you are wrong about low adoption rates being caused by too much choice.
4) if 3 fails, you cannot propose how you would go about limiting choice.
1) Then what is the correct rate?
2) A low adoption rate is reflective of a free OS, like Linux, not being as good as a non-free OS, like Win or Mac.
3) Then what are the causes?
4) I have proposed how.
mintnoob wrote:In other words, you are wrong on every level, yet you keep flogging this same old dead horse of yours.
Evidence suggests otherwise (and I'm not talking about the poll results).
mintnoob wrote:Then what is the correct figure??? A lot of you keep saying that figure is erroneous, but won't give me the correct figure.
A related problem is that people who buy a PC with Windows pre-installed with the intention of wiping it in favour of a Linux distro (generally because it's cheaper than the same model sans OS ) even if they never boot into Windows will count as a "Windows sale" according to MS.tdockery97 wrote:As long as linux is free (as in beer) there will never be a way to compare market share with Windows/Apple. They can compare sales figures with one another all day long, but linux adoption is virtually invisible since there are no sales figures
markfiend wrote:A related problem is that people who buy a PC with Windows pre-installed with the intention of wiping it in favour of a Linux distro (generally because it's cheaper than the same model sans OS ) even if they never boot into Windows will count as a "Windows sale" according to MS.tdockery97 wrote:As long as linux is free (as in beer) there will never be a way to compare market share with Windows/Apple. They can compare sales figures with one another all day long, but linux adoption is virtually invisible since there are no sales figures
markfiend wrote:count as a "Windows sale" according to MS.
calinut1 wrote:The Linux community, the project leaders of the distros, anyone who has the power to decide this. I didn't say there are such persons, I just said what would happen if THERE WERE such persons ad if they decided to do something.
Snydar wrote:I think that the fragmentation of Linux was a large part of the reason that I gave up using Linux my first try. I just wanted something that worked. I didn't want to spend hours googling for which version of Linux is best, and then which desktop environment for that distro is best, and then which applications would work for that desktop environment.
I think it would be very helpful if new Linux users were directed to ONE place to go at first. I would like them to be presented with a small questionnaire. There would be a list of applications that they use in Windows / Mac and you would click the check boxes. At the end, you would click the download button, reboot and install your system.
I think a lot of potential Linux users try a distro that is too difficult, and also have a hard time choosing which applications they should use.
To conclude, I'll say I strongly support having the freedom of choice in Linux
MALsPa wrote:Thankfully, we do have all of this choice in Linux... and I certainly don't see the amount of choice in Linux as being a problem.
If some people stay away from Linux because they are bothered by the amount of choice, how are we to know that an equal number of people aren't attracted to Linux because of the amount of choice?
mintnoob has pointed out that my attitude in all of this is kind of selfish, and I don't disagree with that. I came to Linux determined to make it work for me, and I accomplished that. I don't care about its popularity. My concern is that I'll be able to use it and never have to go back to the Windows world, or I'll never have to shell out big bucks for a Mac.
Linux popularity won't be decreasing
If you want to make Linux more popular, I just hope it won't be at the expense of any of the choices that are available to me right now. Less choice in Linux would make it less appealing to me, and a lot of other folks share that sentiment.
markfiend wrote:Ah! The classic "they laughed at Galileo" gambit. They laughed at the Three Stooges too, you know.
1) It's hard to tell exactly, but somewhere around 3% to 5%.
2) and 3) As you've been told time and again, it's because people just use what they're given. Apple hardware comes with Apple OSX preinstalled. Other hardware comes with Windows preinstalled. Most people won't bother changing. Part of it at least is people spreading FUD about Linux: FUD like "there's too much choice in Linux"...
4) "Get all the Linux developers to stop developing what they want to develop and start developing what I want them to develop" isn't a proposal that many are going to take seriously.
Evidence? This is obviously some new meaning of the word of which I was previously unaware.
The choice is a strength not a weakness.
randomizer wrote:That's precisely my point. Nobody has the correct figure. If you can come up with a way of accurately measuring OS market share then more power to you. There are people who say less than 1%, there are people who say nearly 10%.
mintnoob wrote:Well correct, or incorrect, I gave sources for my quote, but even if Linux was at 10% and Windows was at 80%, Linux is still getting slaughtered, especially for a free system.
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