Chasester wrote:Think of someone who's new to Mint, happy and proud that it works just fantastic for them. They excitedly tell their family, their friends. Then want to think of a way to efficiently tell the world. For they themselves just happened to stumble across it. and excitedly come up with ideas - and just didn't think about searching the forums first.
And in response they get unwarranted sarcasm.
Not very cool Fedora.
Who cares if there are 20 other threads along the same topic. how is that a *bad* thing for Mint? Wouldn't it be a whole lot more objective than to simply say nothing rather than irritate and confirm what the user's been told all these years that Linux guys are just plain a-holes.
"Waldo wrote:Excellent post, Chaseter.
I've called FedoraRef on this before, and he doesn't seem to care. He seems to take pride in being one of those Linux guys users have been told about. One or two others always come to his defense, pointing out (correctly) that he does often help with good technical advice. It is obvious that he is very knowledgeable about Linux.
Too bad his misplaced penchant for testing the skin thickness of others subtracts (substantially, in my opinion) from his contributions . A Linux forum is no place for interacting the same as one would motivating a crew on a job site. It's difficult to fathom how anyone could believe that to be so.
Heh, I am starting a fan club!!!
Chasester, It has nothing to do with searching the forums! It has everything to do with the fact that every single noob that tries Mint seems to have to start a thread on how we need to do all these things to improve it, to make it be more like their vision of what an OS should be, or else Mint will never be successful and will never beat Windows...It is just silly.
Why would I say nothing when I can irritate others? It gives you an opening to call me an "A-hole!"
Believe me, I am just trying to get others to "get it." Some eventually will others like Waldo never will. I am okay with agreeing to disagree, but this whole "Linux users are all just elitist a-holes" and "Linux needs to become better so it can beat Windows" is simply stupid and you are not only doing a disservice to Linux with this attitude, you will also not be taken seriously by the serious Linux users - Those users who you now call elitist a-holes because they seem to know and understand something that you do not.
Not very cool? So?
Waldo...oh Waldo...What can I say? You simply do not like me!
You take it too personal. I am not testing your skin thickness, I really do not care one way or another. I am simply trying to show you that there are other ways to think about Linux. You are choosing to make me an enemy, I have nothing against you. If I have an employee on the job site who feels he can do the job in a better way I will listen to his idea. Then I will explain to him why he is wrong according to my 30 years of experience in the field. It is no different with you. I am sorry you do not like what I have to say, and I am not always right, and I agree that there are no definite in Linux, everything is subjective, but as you acknowledge that I do have some experience then maybe it would be wise to think about what I am taking the time to write. I may be wrong, that is okay. You may disagree with me, that is fine too. But there is a whole other side to Linux that you not only ignore, you attack!
Have you tried Arch yet Waldo? I was serious about that. You envision Linux as a brainless OS that is simply a free substitute for Windows. Because of this you will always see problems with it. It will never be "ready" in your book. You are missing a whole new world Waldo! You are missing the pure, total beauty of Linux. It has never been about a brainless user clicking some GUI tool because he is too scared to open the terminal. It is about putting total control of the OS, both the execution AND the code, into the hands of everyone. It is about you being able to DEVELOP THE SKILLS to do whatever you want with this OS. It is about promoting your bold, fresh (thanks O'Reilly) idea not through irrelevant forum blabbering, but through action! It has NEVER been about taking market share from Microsoft or trying to gain as many mindless users as possible. It is about building a better way to do things. Sometimes better does not equate to easier. The motto for Linux should be "build it and they will come." And they have Waldo! Millions of them! Including you! Some try it and throw up their hands in disgust. Fine! Who cares? Others like what they see and they learn and grow. Then they help others do the same. And the community moves forward. Numbers do not matter Waldo, it is about quality, commitment, growth.
I am just trying to get you to see some of that Waldo. We will not always agree on everything. I have serious differences with many who you claim come running to my aid. There are no cliques or gangs in here, we are all individuals. No one needs to defend me, I stand on my words and ideas. You can like me or not, that does not matter. I am only trying to show you another point of view. It is up to you how you digest that.