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Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Wamukota on Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:30 pm

Ubuntu 10.0 will only support processors i686 or higher. What will Mint do, stick with Ubuntu and drop our i586 users, move to Debian and support all processors, or ... ?

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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Joylove on Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:55 pm

Was wondering how many are still actually using a Pentium or K6-II processor nowdays? AFAIK most of them released came with a very low ram ceiling their use as a desktop linux would be severely hampered.

(IIRC Intel VX/TX series can support up to 128mb/25mb respectively but the VX suffered a bug that putting a memory larger than 64mb resulted in poor performance.)

The only way the ram requiements can be satisfied using a 586 based cpu would be Via's chipset (Socket7/Super Socket7) which can support up to 512/768mb ram.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Acid_1 on Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:04 pm

Considering i686 was 1995, I'm sure that it'll be fine. Matter of fact if you look here, you'll find that i586's wouldn't be sufficient for a full-fledged Desktop like Ubuntu. So no, there wouldn't be leaving the x<586 crowd behind.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby randomizer on Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:43 pm

They should have done this years ago.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby GhoS on Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:20 pm

Makes perfect sense. If someone happens to have an older cpu, they can simply use an older version of Ubuntu/Mint or another distro. Only so long where you support old hardware before it starts limiting you with newer stuff.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Midnighter on Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:57 am

So much for "Linux for Human Beings". Nor everyone can afford to upgrade, no matter how "cheap" some think it is to do so. Some just don't have ANY spare cash.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby randomizer on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:32 am

If you don't buy your morning coffee every day for a year, you can upgrade a 486 to something new. It's Linux for human beings, not Linux for the dinosaurs. If you're running hardware that requires i386 then it will be unlikely to run a modern installation of Ubuntu that well anyway.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby axel668 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:48 am

fair enough, don't think there's much pre 6x86 hardware left out there. and if your hardware is really THAT old you're better off with something like DSL or TinyCore anyway. Only sorry for Puppy, they aim at old hardware and just recently switched to Ubuntu packages ... ouch !
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Midnighter on Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:19 am

Clearly some of you don't get it. It's called poverty. People don't have any spare cash. They're using someone's old hand-me-down, a recycled PC, etc. You're either being condescending, or simply don't get it.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby SalmonEater on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:04 pm

"Clearly some of you don't get it. It's called poverty. People don't have any spare cash. They're using someone's old hand-me-down, a recycled PC, etc. You're either being condescending, or simply don't get it."
I agree with you, Midnighter, especially with this worldwide economic Depression in which we find ourselves. Many are suffering and have to make do with discarded PCs and the like.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby bobcollard on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:32 pm

Look on the bright side, you have three years to save your pennies to buy a newer computer. That is when the LTS versions run out. Hopefully the economy will be back up to par by then.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby proxima_centauri on Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:56 pm

Midnighter wrote:Clearly some of you don't get it. It's called poverty. People don't have any spare cash. They're using someone's old hand-me-down, a recycled PC, etc. You're either being condescending, or simply don't get it.

I'm not well educated in this area, but according to my brief research the original Pentium processor was released March 22, 1993 - this is a i586 processor. We're talking about i386 processors over 20 years old. These machines cannot likely run Ubuntu anyway...we're talking about the 1980's. :shock: It's not like their dropping 32-bit support or something dramatic.

There's accommodating old PC's, but seriously, how far back does one need to ensure compatibility...

EDIT: My argument is reduced because I somehow thought we were only talking about i386. So I guess in reality support for processors before the Pentium Pro will be dropped. So many PC's before 95'. These PC's would probably still not, or barely make the minimum requirements for an Ubuntu installation though.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby piratesmack on Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:38 pm

axel668 wrote:Only sorry for Puppy, they aim at old hardware and just recently switched to Ubuntu packages ... ouch !


Shouldn't be a problem, Puppy can be built from pretty much any distro with Woof.
If they need to, they can easily switch to Debian, Slackware, or T2 packages.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby JonM33 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:01 pm

Midnighter wrote:So much for "Linux for Human Beings". Nor everyone can afford to upgrade, no matter how "cheap" some think it is to do so. Some just don't have ANY spare cash.


i686 goes back to the 233MHz Pentium II and 500MHz Athlon processors. That's up to 13 years old. Computers were actually more expensive back then. I doubt affordability is an issue these days.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Old Marcus on Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:34 pm

Midnighter wrote:So much for "Linux for Human Beings". Nor everyone can afford to upgrade, no matter how "cheap" some think it is to do so. Some just don't have ANY spare cash.

You do realise i586 and earlier is 80's/90's right? Your current computer is at least at i686 level or higher. Ubuntu is just dropping support for the truly ancient stuff that wouldn't be able to run the OS anyway. Get your facts straight please.

Also, the Pentium Pro and the Athlon were released in 95 and 99 respectively, so I very much doubt you have anything older. This isn't high end computing we're talking about, this is cutting off the ancient stuff that no average user actually USES any more.
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Re: Ubuntu 10.10 will only support i686 and higher

Postby Acid_1 on Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:45 am

And let me add this: if you don't cut off old support you end up like MS Windows--supporting legacy hardware and finding bugs in it. There are distributions designed for people who have old machines. Puppy, DSL... you can find more.
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