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Postby linuxviolin on Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:35 pm

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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby zerozero on Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:44 pm

Yes, yes I know!! I been following these news very closely with a mix of concern about Mandriva's future and hope in Mageia, the new community fork.

I just don't trust a unknown corporation that comes out of the blue and takes over another to use their resources and make a national Linux distro. Call me paranoid.
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby randomizer on Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:03 am

The beginning of Linux piracy.
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby alpha1 on Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:47 am

What possible commercial interest would this Russian firm have in acquiring Mandriva?

(As a side note - the Mandriva logos remind me of the Communist era USSR)


ps: is it true that Mandriva RPM repository is second only to DEbian in no of packages.
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby zerozero on Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:34 am

What possible commercial interest would this Russian firm have in acquiring Mandriva


That's one of the questions nobody apparently knows how to answer, ever because no-one seems to know exactly who they are.


ps: is it true that Mandriva RPM repository is second only to DEbian in no of packages.


I never counted the number of packages and libraries, but lets put it this way, apart from some specific *buntu stuff what we find build in .deb is also in .rpm
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby randomizer on Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:59 am

Number of packages is a very poor metric on its own. Debian splits all of its packages into normal and -dev versions, and sometimes what you can find in one or two Arch packages would take 7 or 8 in Debian (not including the -dev ones). Different projects have different packaging philosophies.
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby zerozero on Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:16 am

zerozero wrote:i never counted the number of packages and libraries, but lets put it this way, apart from some specific *buntu stuff what we find build in .deb is also in .rpm


WE can read whatever we want...
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby tdockery97 on Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:21 am

Of course it has commercial value. If it became the official national Linux distribution, guess who will be providing it. :twisted:
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby zerozero on Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:37 am

Just out of curiosity, tell us...

Not that that matters to much now, since the announcement of Mageia but it's always good to know the backgrounds of this business.
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby alpha1 on Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:22 am

randomizer wrote:Number of packages is a very poor metric on its own. Debian splits all of its packages into normal and -dev versions, and sometimes what you can find in one or two Arch packages would take 7 or 8 in Debian (not including the -dev ones). Different projects have different packaging philosophies.

So you mean that in Arch there will be one package per application, whereas in Debian, there will be 7?
And that if you wish to actually count the packages - you should divide the deb packages by 7 before comparing to others?

Really?

If thats the case - I wonder who is actually at the top?
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby randomizer on Fri Sep 24, 2010 3:21 am

alpha1 wrote:So you mean that in Arch there will be one package per application, whereas in Debian, there will be 7?
And that if you wish to actually count the packages - you should divide the deb packages by 7 before comparing to others?

Really?

If thats the case - I wonder who is actually at the top?

That was a random example of an application whose name I can't remember. It was at the extreme end of the scale. However a Debian package is normally split into at least 2 or 3 packages: Normal, dev and debug. Normal running only requires the first. Compiling requires the second if that application is needed during the build process. My main point was that simply comparing the number of packages directly is Apples to Oranges. Arch has alot of package, but most are in the Arch User Repository and these don't undergo proper QA tests (most of the popular ones are fine though).
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Re: Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm And Former Developers Fork

Postby linuxviolin on Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:04 pm

alpha1 wrote:
randomizer wrote:Number of packages is a very poor metric on its own. Debian splits all of its packages into normal and -dev versions, and sometimes what you can find in one or two Arch packages would take 7 or 8 in Debian (not including the -dev ones). Different projects have different packaging philosophies.

So you mean that in Arch there will be one package per application, whereas in Debian, there will be 7?
And that if you wish to actually count the packages - you should divide the deb packages by 7 before comparing to others?

Really?

If thats the case - I wonder who is actually at the top?

Well, for instance .deb vs .rpm: you have often several deb packages for an app when you have just one rpm package for this app... e.g. Firefox: just 1 .rpm with everything (languages...) and how many .deb?

This is just an example but you have practically the same thing for all packages... OK you have more of .deb packages but because every package is cut in several subpackages... So the number of packages comparison is not a real/absolute good thing. :roll:
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