Dedoimeido on Gnome 3

[kvv]

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gnome-3.html

TL;DR of his article: it's shiny but useless for someone who needs to be productive and multitask. Oh and Unity sucks too.

Excerpts from his article I agree most with

Always connected

I hate this slogan. It is the most racist and condescending piece of crap ever invented by the rich and lazy. Yes, if you live in USA or Europe, then you have running water and electricity, food is available aplenty, you rarely ever worry about dying in some horrible war, you have advanced medicine to assist your pointless eking, and you have broadband.

But 80% of this planet cannot take any of the above for granted. Activities in your Gnome won't help a starving child in Sudan nor reduce the radiation leaks in Fukushima. Get a grip. You don't need to be connected while you're sitting on the crapper. You don't need to be connected when you go for a little hike in the forest. Most of all, you don't need to be connected when fighting for survival.

So how this relates to Gnome 3? Gnome 3 does not have a shutdown button inside the desktop session. You can only suspend your useless **** and microblogging, you cannot turn it off. You are also Available, in case you need to be raped by an invading army.

and

Moreover, Linux Mint developers have rumored they will use Gnome 3 as a basis for their future work. Given their current success with modifying Ubuntu releases, it is fair to assume they will not follow the mainstream nonsense and focus on practicality and beauty, as they did so far. Thus, there's hope.

[proxima_centauri]

I hate this slogan. It is the most racist and condescending piece of crap ever invented by the rich and lazy.

Perhaps the word he's searching for is prejudice or discriminating.

Nonetheless, that entire paragraph detracts from the rest of the review, and the association between world violence, poverty and the lack of a shutdown button in GNOME3 is unclear to me.

Sounds disrespectful and glib.

[kvv]

It's got to do with the "Always Connected" slogan. While he put it strongly, a majority of the computers don't have broadband or even continuous access to internet connection (and I suspect the author has experienced working in such places). The Gnome team is being highly presumptuous by including such a feature or philosophy into a core part of their desktop.

[proxima_centauri]

In any case, he's misinformed. The shutdown option was not removed, merely hidden. To activate the Shutdown option, you have to hit the <Alt> key, which changes the "Suspend" menu option to "Power Off".

Obviously this isn't very intuitive so I would hope it is going to be made known to the end-user in some fashion - but we are still in Beta.

[asymmetros]

Read all this article and find it very interesting -he has many points.
For example:

Totally counterintuitive, inefficient, not really productive, the lack of panels and right-click functionality is a sore, annoying loss. Power users will find the polished, rounded looks nothing more than a costly distraction to their work.

However, if you want - or must have - tens of windows open and be able to see them at the same time, including say, a text editor, an HTML editor, an image editor, a browser, several folders, and maybe a digital scanner, then having only one visible at a given time is a terrible loss of productivity.
It is called multitasking - and it may be too difficult for the inbred majority of consumers out there, but then, they already have their iPhone and Android, leave the desktop alone to people who actually want to get things done.

For the vast majority of people, this may hold true. They don't know what Linux is and how it works and what it means. Give them pretty colors and they might use it. They won't be fast, productive, effective, or anything like that. But they will be counted in the market domination statistics.....
My computer is not a toy. It's a serious tool. I can't have my tool remodeled and reshaped every six months. I use my software for complex tasks that require stability and predictability.

[mzsade]

He seems very angry to me; i'd be scared to use Gnome 3 just out of fear of upsetting him.. agree with him though in that we may expect the best and simplest way through this from the Mint edition.

[tdockery97]

I'm sure Clem and the team are already working on patches and work-arounds to make Gnome 3 behave like Gnome 2.x as closely as possible.

[proxima_centauri]

I doubt GNOME3 will make a debut in Linux MInt 11, as Ubuntu is not adopting it yet.

[kvv]

I doubt GNOME3 will make a debut in Linux MInt 11, as Ubuntu is not adopting it yet.

Then what can possibly be new in the next mint? :s

[proxima_centauri]

Then what can possibly be new in the next mint? :s

The usual types of things: updated kernel/xorg, drivers, software & libraries.

[tdockery97]

I wonder, because Clem has already stated that Mint 11 will have Gnome 3, but not the Gnome Shell. So it will be like Gnome 3's "fallback" mode. Plus hopefully tweaked to be configurable by the user.

[proxima_centauri]

I wonder, because Clem has already stated that Mint 11 will have Gnome 3, but not the Gnome Shell. So it will be like Gnome 3's "fallback" mode. Plus hopefully tweaked to be configurable by the user.

Strange, that would mean Clem plans to introduce additional PPA's or add the GNOME3 packages to the Linux MInt repository. That could be a really interesting move and give Linux Mint an edge over Ubuntu for users interested in using GNOME3.

[cpatrick08]

I doubt GNOME3 will make a debut in Linux MInt 11, as Ubuntu is not adopting it yet.

i read on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/04/gnome-3-released-to-be-available-for-ubuntu-11-04-via-ppa/ that gnome 3 & the gnome-shell will be available via a ppa but you cant have unity and gnome-shell at the same time though