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(solved) considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome

Postby huntwell on Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:16 pm

I have played around with several distros before settling on Linux Mint. It has been a good experience so far. I am somewhat new to Linux, having used it for about 4 months. Most other distros I have tried out have been KDE, with only a few being Gnome. I am relatively comfortable with the Gnome environment now, but I just tried out Mint KDE 4.0 and I really like the desktop interface. I am considering switching, but I would like some input on what I should expect to be different as far as command prompts in the terminal, downloading files, using various programs, etc. Basically, can someone tell me if since I am used to the Gnome environment if it would really be too much of an adjustment to go to the KDE environment?

Thanks for any help.
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Zwopper on Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:23 pm

I've been using Gnome myself for three years, and just recently switced to KDE, I like it, the adjustments are small, such as the text editor is called kate instead of gedit and minor stuff like that.
My advice is that if you have a seperate home partition - DON'T format it!
By not formatting it you will keep all your settings, and not only that, but if there comes a time when you want to go back to the Gnome enviroment, it will be a breeze as well.

Good luck, and welcome to the KDE-side of Linux Mint! :)
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby stevenofnine on Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:31 am

When I first tried Linux, most of the distros I looked at were Gnome. I finally stuck with PCLinuxOS, which uses KDE. I liked the sharper look to it, too, over Gnome, at the time.

However, there seem to be enough personalisation options available that pretty much any 'look' can be replicated from one desktop to another.

Depending on your install base, however, you can find that some applications won't run nearly as well on one platform as on the other. What's particularly lovely about this distro is the ability to switch easily, from the from signin, from one desktop to another.

I'm now a Mint user as it was the sleekest, best-performing distro that worked with my workplace's WPA2 Enterprise wireless. I had a devil of a time getting PCLOS to work. It's now a secondary install on the laptop.

To anyone else trying this idea, a separate install may even be a good idea, to have a clean, one-desktop-only install for purity, and decide what's best. The flexibility's a real draw.
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:03 pm

huntwell,

Zwopper, had a very good suggestion. I would add to that by suggesting that you use different user names for the two installs. That way you will keep your Gnome configurations completely separate from your KDE configurations. It is almost always better to use different user names when sharing the /home directory. You will have fewer problems switching back and forth between the two distros.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby huntwell on Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:05 pm

Thanks for the replies. Zwopper, I am not sure I am understanding you correctly with reference to the separate home partition. Are you referring to a dual boot with Mint Gnome and KDE and using Gparted to create another partition?

When I cam over to Linux, I installed Ubuntu using the GParted partition manager. I have found with my own personal experience that doing that was not the best option. It created some issues with Windows even though I followed the tutorial exactly. I think despite the fact that I was able to move files far enough over with the defrag, something still must have been left. By reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling windows, as well as using the Windows partitioner, I did not run into the same problems. Fortunately, I found Linux Mint so when I reinstalled Windows, I made Mint the other OS.

If I am going to install Mint KDE, I think the thing to do would be to install KDE over the Gnome system since I had problems before with not having separate partitions prior to the install. Is this what is being suggested or are you saying that I can install KDE over Gnome and if I don't format the drive and use a different user name and password that I can revert back to the Gnome version without difficulty?

I am new to this so my apologies for not understanding clearly what is being said.

Thanks again for the info,
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:02 pm

huntwell,

I certainly would not attempt to speak for Zwopper, but I think what he was saying was if you already have a separate /home partition, not to reformat it on the KDE install.

Lets say you have a swap partition, a / partition, and a /home partition on your current Gnome install. When you install the KDE version mount the three partitions as part of the install, but don't chose to format the /home partition. Then if you use a different user name for that install you will show two user names in your /home. The old user name will contain all the settings for your old Gnome desk top. If you choose to go back to Gnome, you won't have lost all you old settings.

Hope that helps a bit.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby huntwell on Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:18 pm

Yes, it helps clear things up a bit. Which... leads me to another question. When I installed Mint, I did not do a separate /home partition. I only partitioned for swap and /ext3. Is the ext partition a "home" partition? Or did I miss an important part of partitioning my drive for Linux?

Thanks again for the replies. I appreciate the assistance.
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:43 pm

huntwell,

The default install puts the entire file system in / (root). You could have chosen to break the file system up. Creating a separate /home would be an example. Below is a link to a thread where I talk a bit about the file system.

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=10696

All of this might not interest you but it will give you a feel for some of the issues and choices involved in partitioning a general desktop system.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby huntwell on Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:46 am

I'll check it out.

Thanks Fred.
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby MALsPa on Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:30 am

How much different would things be to simply add KDE as an option to log into on your existing GNOME version of Mint? I know that the KDE version is a "Minty" version, but is it any better than downloading and installing KDE into what you already have? I have Xfce4 added to the GNOME version of Daryna and it seems to be nice enough. It seems to me that the GNOME version is sort of the "official" Mint version and that you could add any desktop environment to it. I've also added E16, which is fun. I'm not sure why there is a need to switch to another version when you can have all of these desktop environments installed under the same version, but perhaps someone could point out to me why there would be an advantage to using the KDE version instead of adding KDE to the GNOME version (???). Also I guess I'll install KDE to my GNOME version of Daryna and see how things look.
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:11 am

MALsPa,

Well... in the first place there is no Mint KDE to add to the Mint Gnome release. The Kubuntu KDE desktop isn't compatible with Mint. I am not saying you couldn't do it, or that you can't load vanilla KDE onto Mint Gnome.... but it won't be a quick, easy task. Almost anything can be done. The question is, is it worth the effort for what you will wind up with. It certainly won't be Mint Gnome or Mint KDE.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby MALsPa on Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:36 am

Fred, that's interesting. Here's where I'm coming from: I've added KDE to Ubuntu Dapper. I've added GNOME to the KDE version of Etch. And I've added GNOME to the KDE version of PCLOS 2007. Also I've added Xfce and Enlightenment to various distros, including to Mint Daryna. All of those have worked out well. So, I'm wondering, why not add KDE to the Daryna? Well, you said "It certainly won't be ... Mint KDE," and I understand that, but other than appearances, how would it be all that different from the Mint KDE? (And, why?) Seems nice to me to have a choice of desktops to log into although it takes a while to download and install the bigger ones like KDE or GNOME. Is adding KDE to Daryna so much different than adding another desktop in another distro? (Is it because of having to pull it from the Ubuntu repos?)
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:52 am

MALsPa,

You hit the nail on the head right there at the end. :-)

KDE desk top in the Ubuntu repositories is a modified version of the Vanilla KDE specially modified to run on Ubuntu. Even though Mint is based on Ubuntu there have been enough changes that the KDE desk top is not compatible anymore. I am guessing here, but my guess is that you would have at least as good a luck with vanilla KDE as with the version in the Ubuntu repos.

I understand that Clem and Boo are working or at least planning a Mint KDE desktop add-on. But it won't be ready for this next release.

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Re:considering switch to M int 4.0 KDE-kdesu verses sudo

Postby Cubby on Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:46 am

One of the things I have learned while using the KDE top is found here:

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo

so when I bring up a graphical page via terminal I use the command kdesu kate or kdesu kwrite

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:36 pm

Cubby,

When you call a GUI program with kdesu you are running it in root mode. This is usually not a good idea since there is no limit to the damage you can do to your system in root mode. I would suggest that you not run in root, ie use kdesu, unless you need to to perform a certain task that requires it. Then close the program and reopen it in user mode if you are going to continue to use it.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Cubby on Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:12 pm

Thanks for the safe use tip, Fred. I appreciate it and will do as you suggested from now on!
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Husse on Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:38 pm

I had a little time over so I looked at topics I have not been involved in (and that's still about 90% of all posts :))
About home on a separate partition
http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php ... _partition
Perhaps make a large area in home for common files like photos, MP3s movies and whatever
About partitioning
http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php ... _partition
About the difference between Ubuntu or vanilla KDE and Mint KDE
In one sense there is not much of a difference - the basics is the same, but all Mint "goodies" have been ported to KDE in Mint KDE and that's significant
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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:10 pm

Husse,

Very nice. I don't know where you find the time and motivation to do all that you do.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby huntwell on Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:22 pm

Husse,

Thanks for the partition info. It appears that the partition schemes represented were relating to having an entire drive available for Linux. I was wondering if there is a recommended scheme for a dual boot. I have XP on about 50 GB and Mint on 25 with 2 GB swap and the rest to the /ext3.

Also, going back to the KDE vs Gnome with Mint, if I was going to go ahead and change over to Mint KDE, what would be the advantages from a KDE users perspective. If I am going to make the switch and install Mint KDE, I need some incentives, otherwise, I don't really see a reason to make a change to KDE.

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Re: considering switch to Mint 4.0 KDE from Gnome-have questions

Postby Fred on Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:54 pm

huntwell,

The only reason I can think of for anyone to change from Gnome to KDE would be.... "you like KDE better." :-)

And the same goes for changing from KDE to Gnome.

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