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Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:46 am

Hi, I am considering Virtual Environments such as Virtual Box, VM Ware, etc to have Linux Mint as the host system and M$ Windows as a guest system. I would like to hear from people about their experiences with the various ones available, such things as ease of setup and use, compatability and overall performance. I will be using Windows XP as the guest system. Please include as much info as possible. Thank you.
P.S. I will be running Mint 5 Elyssa as the host system.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby MagnusB on Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:24 pm

VirtualBox OSE is by far the easiest to use. Took me an hour to get it working, mostly because Windows installations is so damn slow...
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby rbanavara on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:13 pm

All VMs are equally slow (though they differ when comapred again one another). VMware has an option of pre allocating all the disk space, which ineffect may speed up the installation to some extent. Have not seen this in Virtual Box (might have missed / hidden some where in the config options).

But my vote goes to VB as its easy to uses & open source!
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby MagnusB on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:33 pm

Not completely open source though, IIRC there are some modules or parts that are still proprietary... But it beats VMware in ease of use, maybe VM has some more functionality, but for me, ease of use is the most important issue.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby Fred on Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:24 pm

VMware still has some features that VirtualBox doesn't have, but I prefer VB. As MagnusB said, VB is easier to setup and use. I think it is a bit faster too, but it might just be my imagination. :-)

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby atlef on Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:12 am

I to would give two thumbs up to VirtualBox. I use it on both Windows hosts and Ubuntu hosts for all my virtual needs.
I use VirtualBox-ose which is the open source version. It lacks support for usb, but have so far not needed that. If you do, get the closed source one. Check here for the differences between them.
And you can also get ready made images here.

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby miket on Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:18 am

Hi !

Having played with them all, but VirtualBox gets my vote, it's simple to install and configure, performance is on par if not better in some cases than other VM packages and is the most "Compatible".
I use VB OSE version and have many different O/S's running under it without any problems at all.

There are ways of getting around the lack of USB support in the OSE version.

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:58 am

Hi everyone. Ok, from the replies, Virtual Box is looking good! Please keep the stories about your experiences coming, I just want to get as much info as possible before I commit myself. Thanks all.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:14 am

Mike, (AvanceIT), you mention in your reply to my post that there is a way around the lack of USB support in the OSE version of VB. Could you give a few details please mate? Thanks, Rod.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby miket on Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:19 am

Hi Calymea,

calymea wrote:Mike, (AvanceIT), you mention in your reply to my post that there is a way around the lack of USB support in the OSE version of VB. Could you give a few details please mate? Thanks, Rod.


Of course !
It's actually really simple ... I like simple because it is normally the most reliable ;)

So here goes :

Firstly make sure your VirtualMachine is "not" running!

Now create a folder in your linux Mint Home folder, call it whatever you want but for this example I'll call it "vbsharedfolder"

If you want to do this from the command line open a terminal and enter the commands below :

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cd
mkdir vbsharedfolder


You can of course do it from the GUI too !

Now, go into VirtualBox, select your VirtualMachine and then select "Shared Folders" on the right.
Click the "Add A New Shared Folder" button on the right hand side of the window, (it's the little blue folder with the green cross on it!)

In the "Folder Path" field navigate to the folder you created above in your home folder.
In the "Folder Name" field type "vbsharedfolder" or whatever you called it above.

Click OK to create the shared folder.

So we are now almost there, just one little step left to do.
Whenever you plug in a USB memory stick or insert a CDROM disc or an SD card or USB hard drive etc etc it is always mounted under /media in Linux Mint,
so we know where the device is going to appear. To make this also appear to your VirtualMachine via the sharedfolder we created above
we need to add a "Soft Link" (Shortcut) from inside your sharedfolder pointing to /media.
To do this we need to drop to the command line again, so open a terminal and enter the following commands :

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cd
cd vbsharedfolder
ln -s /media ./media


Ok, so the "ln" command above creates the soft link for us.

So now all you need to do is start you VirtualMachine, I am assuming windows XP here, but you can also do this in Vista if you like.

Once In Windows XP, Open the "My Computer" window.
Goto the "Tools" menu item at the top and select "Map Network Drive".

Select which drive letter you want to mount the shared folder under in the top field, then in the bottom field enter :

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\\VBOXSVR\vbsharedfolder


Click Finish ...
You now should have the shared folder mounted !
Plug in your USB memory stick/hard drive/SD card etc ...

Go into windows XP in your VirtualMachine and open the shared folder where you will see a folder called "media",
if you double click this you will be transported into the /media folder under Linux Mint where you will see your
USB memory stick/hard drive/SD card etc as just another folder, double click it and you will see all of it's contents !

That's it, nice and simple but very reliable!

I hope this helps ...

Enjoy !

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:28 am

Hi, just went and had a look at the download section of Sun's site for Virtualbox. I saw there were several different platforms and you have to get the right one. Which is the correct one for Mint 5? Thanks. Rod.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby miket on Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:38 am

Hi Rod,

calymea wrote:Hi, just went and had a look at the download section of Sun's site for Virtualbox. I saw there were several different platforms and you have to get the right one. Which is the correct one for Mint 5? Thanks. Rod.


I've always just got it from the Ubuntu Repo's ...
Open a terminal and just enter the following command :

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sudo apt-get install virtualbox


This will install the OSE version for you.

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:28 am

Thanks Mike, sounds like the way to go. Rod.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby Tony G on Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:48 am

I don't know which version of VirtalBox is now in the repos, but if it's still 1.5, 1.5 reportedly has a bug that keeps it from sharing drives between computers (You may also find that link to a tutorial otherwise useful).

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Re: Virtual environments

Postby calymea on Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:09 am

Anthony, had a look in the repo's, did a reload to make sure I had the latest version, it's still v.1.5 with the bug you mentioned about sharing drives. I will definately need to share drives, so I will need v.1.6. As I mentioned before I went to "Sun's Virtualbox
download site and needed to select the right platform to use, could you or someone else please advise which is the correct one for Mint 5 Elyssa. I don't mind paying for the closed source if I have to. Thanks again. Rod.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby waellerbe on Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:19 am

calymea wrote:Hi, I am considering Virtual Environments such as Virtual Box, VM Ware, etc to have Linux Mint as the host system and M$ Windows as a guest system. I would like to hear from people about their experiences with the various ones available, such things as ease of setup and use, compatibility and overall performance. I will be using Windows XP as the guest system. Please include as much info as possible. Thank you.
P.S. I will be running Mint 5 Elyssa as the host system.


I have a Compaq Presario V2630US laptop with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M graphics, 2GB of RAM, a 160 GB PATA internal hard drive, and the AMD Turion64 mobile technology processor. As a person who has used Microsoft Windows for several years, I love the virtual freedom that I gain from using Linux Mint 5 Elyssa as my host system. This allows me to use VMware Server to run Windows Vista as a "guest" operating system. No more "blue screen of death." In keeping with USB support for VMware, I'm close yet I'm still looking at some more solutions to make it work. After entering "using "usb support for VMware Server" into Google, I stumbled across the following url:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=628346

While VMware Server recognized my USB thumb drive, it still needs the ability to recognize USB 2.0 devices. In keeping with Linux culture, I'm confident that I will find a solution. While I enjoy VirtualBox, I still enjoy the "snapshot" feature of VMware Server which is still free.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby rbanavara on Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:14 am

calymea, since Elyssa is based on hardy, Ubuntu 8.04 would be closest you can get.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby eeezzzeee on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:25 pm

I use virtualbox on both my main computers. My desktop is a Elyssa host with a windows guest and a Ozos guest. On my laptop I have a windows host (i know, i know) and linux guests, again runs great. The hardest part about setting them up was the shared folder thing, but event that didnt' take very long, just read the documentation and/or search there forums for answers. I gave my XP guest 1 gig of ram and it runs just like it did on my desktop. They only thing you have to watch out for is not every program has full functionality in virtualbox. If i remember right programs like photoshop have problems with shading and rendering, and the newer versions don't fully work. virtualbox is a great way to try out other distros too. I have experimented with about 13 distros in virtualbox this year already, but like I said before, they all live in my Minty world.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby chiskop on Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:38 am

eeezzzeee, my former laptop was running ubuntu 7.10 with 2gb RAM, I was running CS3 (mostly photoshop, sometimes flash) in VBox on an XP guest with 1GB RAM. I had no problems with shading or rendering in there - to my (untrained) eye there was hardly any difference between between the virtualised CS3 and running it natively on Vista.

I haven't set that up on my current laptop - I'm trying to encourage myself to let go of Photoshop and learn the GIMP. :)

btw: Had never heard of ozos before, looks really interesting.
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Re: Virtual environments

Postby rhvkl on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:04 am

I prefer VMWare Server:
a) Easy to use,
b) more compatible,
c) more corporate,
c) images spreaded all over the net (i.e. pc-bsd)
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