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Won't boot from HDD

Postby Zaxbys on Wed May 27, 2009 3:20 pm

I have tried this on both Mint and Ubuntu as well as two different IDE HDD and received this same problem...

I burnt the ISO and checked the MD5 and all matched up as it should

I then booted from the disk and installed without a hitch. However when I take the disk out and attempt to boot from the HDD, the booting process gets hung up at the message "Verifying DMI Pool Data" and never progresses to the main menu of Ubuntu or Mint

Now I tried changing the boot order to many different combinations and get different error message for different orders such as:

"Grub Hard Disk Error" under the "Verifying DMI Pool Data" Error

or

It just gets stuck at "Verifying DMI Pool Data"

or

it says "Failed to boot disk, please insert disk and pres ENTER" under the "Verifying DMI Pool Data" Error

But no matter the order or HDD it never gets past that screen which has nothing to do with the OS

I also reset the CMOS to try to get it to go past and I also loaded "Fail Safe" as well as "Optimized" setting to try to cope it.

Now I was thinking:

1. Bad IDE Cable or Header?
2. Flashing Bios
3. Smashing My Computer
4. Try a SATA HDD

What do you all think will fix this? I boot off the disk fine but not from the HDD....

Any help on this is soooo much appreciated . I am ready to give up on linux and I really don't want to.

For reference sake the specs are:

AMD Athlon XP 2.0 Ghz (Socket A I believe)
1 Gb DDR RAM (Soon to be 3)
I have these 4 HDDs availible to use: (40 Gb IDE)(80 Gb IDE) (Two 80b SATA)
ATI 9600 Atlantis GPU
Gigabyte GA-7N400 Pro2 nForce 2 Motherboard
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby RedWagon on Wed May 27, 2009 4:20 pm

You might want to try editing the grub menu. No linux distro has ever gotten the hard drive numbering right on my desktop and I have to do this every time I install a new OS. When the grub menu comes up hit escape and then enter for OK then you should get the classic blue and black grub boot menu. Hit e and then e again and change the numbers in hd(0,0) press enter to save changes (do not hit esc) and then b to boot. No permanent changes are made to the grub menu, this is just a way to find the right settings and get into your OS, then from there you can make the permanent changes to the grub menu.

The hd(0,0) is telling grub which partition to boot, first is the disk number and second is the partition. My computer usually gets the disk number wrong and I have to change hd(1,0) to hd(0,0). What the actual numbers are will depend on your setup, but the second number should be right IF you are having the same issue I do.

This may or may not fix it, but it is something easy and quick you can try. One thing to keep in mind though, if you are getting to Grub, even if you are getting errors from Grub, you don't need to mess with the boot order in your BIOS. The boot order helps find the Master Boot Record and if you're getting to Grub, the boot order set in the BIOS has done its job and can no longer effect what happens to your computer. "Failed to boot disk, please insert disk and pres ENTER" and the hang on "Verifying DMI Pool Data" happens during POST, before the MBR is loaded and in those cases the BIOS boot order may get rid of them.

Wow, this post ended up being really long... :?
In summary:
Step 1. Get to grub - do what you have been doing to get grub anything. As long as you see grub on your screen step 1 is complete.
Step 2. Correctly configure grub - Stop messing with boot order and different hard disks and try the steps I listed. Even if they don't work, post EXACTLY what it says and the settings you tried. If you can get some specific errors from grub we can diagnose this easier.
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby Zaxbys on Wed May 27, 2009 4:35 pm

The problem is I cannot get to the grub....

I only get the "Verifying DMI Pool Data" and then different errors depending on the boot order...
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby RedWagon on Wed May 27, 2009 4:53 pm

Download Super Grub, burn it to a disc and try some of its automated tools. It has helped me numerous times and can find OS installs, configure grub and install it to the MBR. The only problem is I have no idea how to use it, I just kind of guess and check and somehow it has always pulled through. It has help menu built in so you're not flying completely blind.
http://www.supergrubdisk.org/
Also as you get different errors, please post them. This could very well be a hardware issue. I'd hate to waste a bunch of time trying to get grub to load when the POST isn't even finishing.
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby Zaxbys on Wed May 27, 2009 7:22 pm

I posted the various errors in the first post.

The statement "Verifying DMI Pool Data" is the last part of the post of the motherboard before moving to the OS

I have never gotten past that to the Grub so I do not know how to proceed but I will try the super grub tool.
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby RedWagon on Wed May 27, 2009 8:27 pm

I looked up the Verifying DMI thing some more and it doesn't look good. There is no way for me to tell whether or not this is a hardware or software issue until you get this thing fixed. It is hard for me to tell what to do without seeing the actual comptuer, but this is how I would proceed.
Try Super Grub first, since it is the easiest.
Make sure all IDE hard drive and CD ROMs have jumpers set to cable select. (try booting and/or installing grub again)
Remove all hard drives but the one you are installing the OS. (try booting and/or installing grub again)
Set BIOS to defaults (try booting and/or installing grub again)
Clear the CMOS (try booting and/or installing grub again)
Remove everything not absolutely require for the PC to run, including PCI cards. Leave only your video card, one hard drive, one CD drive, keyboard, CPU and RAM. Something may be keeping it from booting. (try booting and/or installing grub again)
Upgrade the BIOS (try booting and/or installing grub again)

I'm kind of thinking out loud here, just putting down my thoughts and maybe you will get some of it and help everyone understand the problem... A computer freezing at verif DMI is most likely a hardware or BIOS issue, but the fact that you can boot to the live disc points more towards a software problem, though if it were only a software problem you should get some sort of response when booting to the hard drives fail, like the "Failed to boot disk, please insert disk and pres ENTER." It is possible that it's starting and handing control of the computer over to an MBR which is then locking up and preventing anything else from being displayed so in short, completely eliminating hardware or software is impossible at this point. I would count anything showing up after verif DMI a success, even if it's a "Failed to boot disk." Getting a fail to boot disc at this point would mean you either A. fixed a hardware problem or B. removed something that the computer was unsucessfully trying to boot to and locking up on. hmm...

Try as much as you are comfy with of the list above. Only upgrade your BIOS if you are sure you know how to do it, I feel rather skeptical about listing it at all because it is so risky, but if all else fails it could help. Sorry this isn't an easy problem to fix. :(
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby Zaxbys on Wed May 27, 2009 8:34 pm

Well I am even more confused as to how linux works now becuase I would never have though this would work.

I had given up on linux ad decided it wasn't worth it to fix so I put my Windows XP disc into the drive and booted the PC up. It gave me the "Press any key to boot" but before I could press anything it booted straight up on Ubuntu!

Now I was in shock so I took out the disc and restarted the PC and as usual under the "Verifying DMI Pool Data" I saw "Grub Hard Disk Error"

Now I went into the Bios and tried to change the boot order to all the different HDD's from 0-3 thinking it could be one of them. Each time the same Grub Hard disk error

However when I put all of the boot order to "CD ROM" and put the XP disc in then it loads up ubuntu flawlessly

I tried this with a Blank CD-R and I get the "Grub Hard Disk Error"

My question is...

Why in the heck would this be happening?
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby RedWagon on Wed May 27, 2009 10:27 pm

Wow. Uh, giant confused aside, this puts us a little closer to the answer. I Googled around and Grub Disk Error is one of the tougher ones to fix. I would try Super Grub again, and if that doesn't work try following this tutorial
http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/ ... th_Live_CD
...and this is where I run out of good advice. If you can get a more specific error, like Grub Error 15, I might be able to help more, but for now I'm out of ideas. Hopefully someone smarter than me will chime in soon...

The XP disc has nothing to do with Linux, what probably happened is Grub is being told conflicting things as to what drives do what and either having the CD in the tray somehow made the computer recognise everything in the right order, or the computer tried to boot to the CD any ways and failed and accidentally booted the hard drive instead.

Try removing the CD drive from your system then booting, also did you check to make sure your jumpers are correct?
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby Zaxbys on Wed May 27, 2009 10:56 pm

Where are the jumpers located?
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Re: Won't boot from HDD

Postby RedWagon on Thu May 28, 2009 10:21 am

on the back of any IDE hard drive or CD drive.
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