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Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:01 am

Hi.

I'm new to linux. The reason, why i'm tring to switch over to linux, is because i'm getting sick and tired of windows (XP) problems ... There is always something wrong and in the end i haveto format and start clean again ... average windows life time is ~80 days in my PC :roll:
Anyway i'm looking alternative OS and it seems linux is right now the only answer. I have tested mint Celena (beta) and ubuntu. My goal is to run linux and windows in my PC (the only reason why i need windows, is because i love games).

Here is my PC hdd layout (in case you wanto know):
80GB primary hdd (for os)
160GB for arhives (backups, personal stuff and so on)
160GB for other stuff (temporaly things, games and so on)

So my questions are:

1. How can i install linux and windows in the same hdd? I have tried before and i failed :(
2. Is there any way to assign root privileges to normal user? The last time i was messing with linux, i managed to install ubuntu (no windows) and i had some problems installing or editing some files/apps using my main acc. That acc was admin but still it was missing some privileges ....
3. is there any good "noob friendly" guides for linux. Overall the linux is easy and simple, but i get really confused about the console ... :(

Like i said, i'm a total noob to linux ... i have used Windows all my life, so please be gentle :oops:

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby fleischwanze on Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:28 am

Hi,
1.I would do it that way:

->ignore youre two 160gb HDDs because you can write and read NTFS and FAT under Linux
->Make two Partions on your 80gb HDD, size of each should be 40gb
->install Windows on one of these partitions FIRST because else it will overwrite you Linux Bootmanager(GRUB) so that you can't start linux mint
->Now install Linux Mint on the other partition

2.I don't know (I'm new to Linux, too)

3.Google -> "Guide Linux"
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:47 am

Thanks for the answer :)

I have tried to install it on the second partition on my 80GB hdd, but after i finished and rebooted: only windows and no linux :( Why is that so? I was betting, that it may be because of the partitions i choosed for linux. That's the other thing that confuses me: all these partitions linux need. Windows is easy: just one partition, click and install. Now linux needs more than one: swap and other (ext3). Is there some order how i haveto create these partition? Also, how important is this "mount point" (actually i have no idea what it is for)?

Sorry, if these questions are "dumb" or "silly" or [insert word here] ... like i said: i have no experience with linux :oops: but i'm a quick learner if just someone would point me into right direction :)

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby fleischwanze on Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:45 am

Linux needs only one partition("/"), too, but i advice you to create 3 ("/","swap","/home").
On http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102/ is a little explenation for the Linux Filessystem.
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:03 pm

So let me get this right, i create these partitions in that order:

1. I create partition "ext3" with mounting point " /" lets say 35GB
2. i create partition swap with the rest 5 GB

Why is this third partition? what format and mount point it shuld be?
Like i understand, linux creates user folder automaticly to every user?
Would this 3 partition be like separate hdd to store user folder? (if it is, then i can see the point of it :))

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby fleischwanze on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:12 pm

1. I think 5gb for swap is too much (my swap partition ist 2gb big)
2. The third partition isn't really needed but I like to have it, the mountpoint is "/home"
My partitiontable would look like this:
- 15gb "/" ext3
- 23gb "/home" ext3
- 2gb - swap
3. Yes the "/home"-Partition is for storing userfolders.
If you don't create this partition, it will automaticly take place in the rootpartition("/")
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:17 pm

Thanks for repy :)
Please correct me if i'm wrong:
- 15gb "/" ext3 - for system files
- 23gb "/home" ext3 - for user folder (like "my Documents" in XP)
- 2gb - swap - for swap

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby BakUp on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:18 pm

A home partition is not necessary, especially for one that is new to Linux. If you ever want to add another Linux Distro in the future, using a home partition for both Linux OS's complicates things.

Another option would be, save all your data and documents in a storage partition. If you are in Open Office for example, when you save file, just point it to your storage device and you are good to go.

I am not saying that any of the above is what everyone should do, I am just expressing different options. So users that like the home partition, please do not flame me to bad......lol...........both ways have their advantages !

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby fleischwanze on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:22 pm

- 23gb "/home" ext3 - for user folder (like "my Documents" in XP)

Yes, but it's also the folder for all userspecific configuration-files
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby deadguy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:29 pm

you can check out the Daryna user guide: http://www.linuxmint.com/pub/Daryna_User_Guide.pdf
I always make my swap partition 2x the amount of ram I have.
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:32 pm

BakUp wrote:A home partition is not necessary, especially for one that is new to Linux. If you ever want to add another Linux Distro in the future, using a home partition for both Linux OS's complicates things.


I can see the point, but i'm planning to use only one linux so i guess it doesn't matter.

Thanks for the answers, i will try to install linux (after i have backed up my important stuff from 80GB HDD)

Now the only thing i would be intrested, is: can i assign root privileges or atleast little higher rights to my main acc in linux. I had problems using my main acc when i was testing ubuntu because i could not do some stuff - only root was able do do it. After i did some diging on the net, i found a way to do it, but when i loged in the ubuntu started to scream i have too high premissions and displayed couple "are you shure" dialogs ... :?
I don't wanto use root acc, because many programs display something like:" OMG, you are using root acc, it is not safe to use this app in root acc" and so on ...

deadguy wrote:you can check out the Daryna user guide: http://www.linuxmint.com/pub/Daryna_User_Guide.pdf
I always make my swap partition 2x the amount of ram I have.


I did that before i signed up here :) helped me lot but still i had some qoestions like you see.

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby deadguy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:46 pm

elajas82 wrote:
Now the only thing i would be intrested, is: can i assign root privileges or atleast little higher rights to my main acc in linux. I had problems using my main acc when i was testing ubuntu because i could not do some stuff - only root was able do do it. After i did some diging on the net, i found a way to do it, but when i loged in the ubuntu started to scream i have too high premissions and displayed couple "are you shure" dialogs ... :?
I don't wanto use root acc, because many programs display something like:" OMG, you are using root acc, it is not safe to use this app in root acc" and so on ...



what kinda stuff could you not do?

it's never a good idea to use a root account for
every day computing.
logging into a "user" account makes your
system safer!
ubuntu and mint use sudo to let you do administrative tasks.
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:55 pm

deadguy wrote:what kinda stuff could you not do?

it's never a good idea to use a root account for
every day computing.
logging into a "user" account makes your
system safer!
ubuntu and mint use sudo to let you do administrative tasks.


I can't remember what i did (it was almost month ago when i tested ubuntu)
For example, i wanted to edit one system file (i can't remember what file it was) but i got errors while saveing saying: you don't have right premissions
Same was with console, i tried to do one task but again: i don't have right premissions.

What i'm looking for, is premissions like in XP: every user can be admin and do whatever he likes. Ofcourse using root as everyday acc isn't good because of the security .... So i was wondering, is there something similar in linux: i can do administrative task (edit system files if i needto for example) using my main acc?

Edit: if i remember correctly, i got premissions error while tring to use sudo command ...
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby fleischwanze on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:03 pm

Thats no good idea.
I advice you to learn how to use the console and work with "sudo".
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:06 pm

Well, i guess this user thing is something i haveto get used to ... just was wondering is there a way whitout loging in as root :|

Anyway, thank you all for your help.
If i get into trouble, i will ask again :)

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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby deadguy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:07 pm

elajas82 wrote:I can't remember what i did (it was almost month ago when i tested ubuntu)
For example, i wanted to edit one system file (i can't remember what file it was) but i got errors while saveing saying: you don't have right premissions
Same was with console, i tried to do one task but again: i don't have right premissions.

What i'm looking for, is premissions like in XP: every user can be admin and do whatever he likes. Ofcourse using root as everyday acc isn't good because of the security .... So i was wondering, is there something similar in linux: i can do administrative task (edit system files if i needto for example) using my main acc?


to edit a file you would open a terminal and type
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gksudo gedit path of the file to edit


of course, where I put "path of the file to edit" you would put the files path. (example: /home/yourname/yourfile)

this would open the file in gedit with root privileges.

edit: of course always be careful when editing system files!!!!!!!!!
one wrong move can hose your system!!!!!
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:09 pm

deadguy wrote:
to edit a file you would open a terminal and type
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gksudo gedit path of the file to edit


of course, where I put "path of the file to edit" you would put the files path. (example: /home/yourname/yourfile)

this would open the file in gedit with root privileges.


Thanks, i will remember it ;)
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby BakUp on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:12 pm

elajas82 wrote:administrative task (edit system files if i needto for example)


You could try this in a terminal:
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sudo gksudo nautilus


That will bring up the nautilus root mode file manager.
Then go to your folder/file > right click > Properties > permission > there you should be able to set the permission to_your_user_name.

This avoids using the terminal to getting user permission.

Edit: oops, deadguy, you beat me to it.
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby elajas82 on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:15 pm

deadguy wrote:
edit: of course always be careful when editing system files!!!!!!!!!
one wrong move can hose your system!!!!!


I know ... i had to reinstall ubuntu after i modified the one system file (i think it was the file that stores your graphic card configuration)
I made a little note for myself on that day: "never edit any system file if you don't know why it is used for" ... lol
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Re: Hello, new to linux and need some guidance

Postby deadguy on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:23 pm

elajas82 wrote:
I know ... i had to reinstall ubuntu after i modified the one system file (i think it was the file that stores your graphic card configuration)
I made a little note for myself on that day: "never edit any system file if you don't know why it is used for" ... lol


words to live by!!!

good luck with your install and welcome to mint :D
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