Mint Debian

[Rob Brill]

Maybeway36,

IMPRESSIONS:

Linux Mint Debian 6 Felicia (Unofficial) - I consider this release in a advanced
BETA/ STAGE. - MintGlacix 6 Felicia CE (Debian/Testing-based) - (it removes Debian name).
Also Unofficial - IT depends on Clem authorization after a detailed investigation.

MAKE THIS EDITION AS A LIVE DVD OR CD INSTALABLE
For the the installation choosing option 1 (one)
the iso size must be a DVD-SIZE

I think you (maybeway36) does not need to make a a debian package for updating
mintInstall to version 5.3.6 or other mint tools

I added Romeo repo to my sources list

## +++ Romeo (unstable)
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com felicia romeo
(apt-get update)- now i have mint tools that were upgrade
mintmenu 4.2.2
mintinstall 5.3.6
Have mintmenudebian 6.0.7

It worked for me

Report:

- MintUpdate only works launched from the menu adm > mintUpdate
Launched from the Panel. it works (sometimes) from the panel
when granting rights.

- Synaptic only works launched from the menu system - Synaptic (left)

- a lot of warning poppin up showed in a gui test-mode
(granting rights) It's annoying - but we can make them disappear
(ckeck the box - don't show it again.

- Drivers for video cards Via k8 e k9 CHROME are problematic
Your screen resolution will not fit or you get a low resolution.
I think the system does not loaded the correct drivers.
You can consult - # gedit etc/X11/xorg.conf (as root)
A boot option like compatibility mode would be useful (it solves some
problems with screen resolution and can recognize video cards)

HERE, THIS CAN BE A SOLUTION AS ROOT FOR USERS

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"

change to:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Configured Video Device"
"vesa"


- Drivers for ATI e Nvidia - Synaptic - try or install them manually

- Compiz Fusion (it was loaded during installation) - Synaptic - try

- Install gnome-screensaver - screensaver and power management


- Install disk-manager to maount other patitions on your hardrive (Synaptic)
adm > disk manager
Enable NTFS write - Make sure (Synaptic) you have ntfs-3g installed
FLOPPY - HAL ERROR - can not be mounted
For umounting partitions open disk manager and umount that you want

- It's not a Live CD Install - It's a CD install only

- mint4win included

- Kernel 2.6.21-1 (possible to choose other before installing)

ADM > ADD/REMOVE APPLICATIONS

A FANTASTIC DEBIAN SOFTWARE - BY CATEGORIES/SUB-CATEGORIES
INSTALL/UNINSTALL SOFTWARE - DEBIAN / DEBIAN THIRD PARTY (Gnome)


A BIG/LARGE COLLECTION OF SOFTWARES
AVAILABLE ON YOUR DESKTOP.


CORRESPONDENTS: - MINTINSTALL - SYNAPTIC - ADD/REMOVE APPLICATIONS
- APT/TERMINAL-DEBIAN PACKAGES -# apt-get update -
# apt-get install <package> ( as last option)

YOU CAN FIND SUPPORT TO WIRELESS -SYSTEM TOOLS
WINDOWS DRIVES FOR WIRELESS SUPPORT - RATED ** 2 STARS
-BLUETOOTH-PALM OS-ADSL/PPPOE CONFIGURATION
NETWORK TOOLS, SERVER TOOLS AND MORE..

Sources list posted above in other post
- Packages from Mint Portal is included to the sources list
It seems compatable to the system (Debian testing) Debian CE
Unless Ice Weasel and Ice Dove may conflict with Firefox
and Thunderbird .
I have installed 3 Apps (trough mintInstall) - no problems.
- mintUpdate works good - various updates done.

- System supports many languages
- some apps only in English - need to install locales
(Ice Weasel - Ice Dove)

- During the process of installation, the system updates the
necessary packages - After finishing the installation, you
don't need to update anything

(for example: i installed the system 2 days yesterday - Have done 9 updates
through mintUpdate till now.

- For those who performed installation from 2 to 5 option - no apps
(categories-sub-categories) installed. Only tools and it's time to install
the apps - through Synaptic or mintInstall (Avoid APT -only when necessary)
The system generates itself categories and sub-categories

- Mint tools support only languages that were translated
on the forum (Thread - tranlations) - if yours not, so english
is the default.

- All the Mint tools are updated to their latest version including
mintsystem 6.1

xorg.conf - posted now as follow:

For someone else with bad or low resolution try to reconfigure or
fix screen resolution (Vesa for instance) or ty to set up your video card
Something has to be done to fix the problem if you have it.

No problems for me.
Mine is OK - only video driver and Compiz not installed.

As far as the system seems to be stable.

THE END:

MAYBEWAY36
TRY TO GET IT OFFICIAL OR GO WITH YOUR OWN PROJECT

WHY NOT TRY TO DEVELOP A MINT DEBIAN CE E17 ENVIRONMENT? OR ONLY A MINT
E17 CE ENVIRONMENT - LINUX MINT DOES NOT HAVE A E17 CE ENVIRONMENT. BUT KEEP IN MIND
THAT ALL YOU DO SHOULD BE SUBMITTED (CLEM), TO MINT TEAM BEFORE AN ISO BECOMES AVAILABLE
TO PUBLIC DOWNLOAD. LIKE OTHER MINT'S CE DEVELOPERS DO.


Cheers
Roberto
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[npap]

OK fellows,
I just checked up the Mint Debian CD, based on Elyssa, that Clem uploaded sometime last year and I downloaded it in August.
He, as I remember, had mentioned that this was just a demo thing. Well, I checked it up and saw that it is the base for a
Mint Debian version.
So it's good that somebody went ahead and worked on the concept.
Now I am convinced that we are not a bunch of renegades ( Vive la revolution! )

Cheers and good luck to the Mint Gang.
npap

[Rob Brill]

Hi All,

Linux MintDebiaN CE 6 Felicia (Unofficial)

Based on Linux Mint Main Edition 6 Felicia and Debian Testing Lenny 5

Desktop Environment - Gnome
The same and identical to the Main Edition with the default theme.


A CD Install version 6 . 656 MG ISO -NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE
(i have kept mine -ISO) - iT IS NOT A LIVE CD iNSTALL

Kernel 2.6.26-1

I am still running MintDebiaN 6 Felicia since it was released CD ISO version
(a few days after this Unofficial version) was released) 6

The installation was done in text-mode. Indeed there are options to a graphical
installation but without no apps installed by default. It is possible to run
Synaptic - Add/Remove Applications - mintInstall, to install those apps USERS want to

Java + Codecs + Flash comes pre-installed

Many Apps + OpenOffice 2.4 comes pre-installed

Mint tools comes pre-installed


CONS:

NOT A LIVE CD INSTALL

MINTUPDATE ONLY WORKS WHEN LAUCHED FROM THE MENU > ADM

Synapitc ONLY WORKS WHEN LAUCHED FROM THE MENU SYSTEM (LEFT)

I consider myself these items above irrelevant for me. I would do not
recommend it for news Linux users (noobs) and for those users who
have recently migrated from Windows or wish to. The ISO i assume
is not available for downloading.

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PROS:

EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING... unless the 3 cons notes above.

MINT TOOLS ARE THE LATEST VERSIONS

DEBIAN HAS always BEEN UPDATED THE SYSTEM including HAL and support
for video cards drivers - various models (Synaptic).

I Have made perhaps till now more than a hundred updates (mintUpdate).

I can mount and unmount my floppy drive. MintDebiaN suports it. (HAL)
was fixed by some updates. It works like a charm.

Installed the disk manager which i can have access to all of my other
partiitons (AOT) (HD) PLUS NTFS and VFAT32 - To unmount any partition (bug)
the only way is to open disk manager and unmount it. (advanced options tab).

Gnome-screensaver - screensavers and power management .

Installed the driver for my nvidia video card through Synapitc - It worked for me.

I do not like Compiz so, i did not try to deal with it.

Ice Weasel 3.0.16 and Ice Dove 2.0.19 - Web Browser and E-Mail Client as default.

Mint packages seem to be compatible. I installed some of them.

I removed Real Player 10 (through the menu) and Kept VLC and other
audio-video players.

I added Romeo to my sources.list - no problem.
apt-get update - no problem.

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CONCLUSION:

PERFOMANCE - MintDebiaN CE 6 FELICIA (unofficial is a bit faster)
THAN THE MINT GNOME MAIN EDITION 6 FELICIA IN MY MACHINE.
This can be questionable because i said in my machine (computer-PC).

The two editions are very stable but MintDebiaN CE Unofficial 6 can not
be considered as a definitive final Edition - BUGS REMAIM.

WITH THE VERY SOON ??? UPCOMING OF DEBIAN 5 LENNY STABLE RELEASE I AM
eager to know how i will deal with this version.

Will the dream be over?

PERHAPS I WILL GAIN A MintDebiaN STABLE (SOURCES.LIST) AND I DO NOT
KNOW IF MINT 7 REPO WILL BE ACCEPTED.
I mean the next repo for Mint Gnome Main Edition 7 Gloria.
And about the new community repo? Idem - do
Thinking in a positive way, i think so. (they are all .deb)

Debian Stable do not accept new versions of programs. (applications).
Only security updates, some apps updates (e.g browser/e-mail client) and fixes.

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Maybeway36,

Where are you? WILL YOU PUT ANOTHER LOG ON THE FIRE?

As you have talent to the business...to be or not to be, that's...

THE NEXT DEBIAN TESTING VERSION WILL BE "SQUEEZE" - CODENAME
FOR developing A BRAND NEW MintDebiaN CE DEBIAN/TESTING - Squeeze

Who knows? Possibly Debian will make available stable Live CD Editions
with a installer to install the system on hard drive. When? ???????

The future is not so far for Debian stabilizes their Live CDs Install.

To put efforts to stabilize mintUpdate ( to launch from the panel)

A RELEASE CYCLE OF 12/14 MONTHS FOR MintDebiaN CE , WOULD
NOT CONFRONT THE MINT GNOME MAIN EDITION 6X6 MONTHS CYCLE.
For 2 two Mint Main Editions releases one Mint Debian/Testing release.
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Very Personal:
To go on with this MintDebiaN CE 6 version.
The last possibility (for me) it would be to reinstall The system again
in text or graphical mode with no apps installed. Only tools.
Then, i could try to change sources.list to Debian/Testing Squeeze and
check if everything is gonna be right - apt-get update and so, hands busy
to install many apps again from Debian/Testing Squeeze. Well, Mint repos
also included (new sources.list). I will try this.

To Update Java plugin and Flash manually when versions changed.

Remain with this Kernel version or update it. To compile a new one and
replace the actual Kernel? This point is not so important for(me) those
who don't have new hardware.(PC - Laptop) and very new peripherals.


AS I DO ALREADY RUN DEBIAN GNU/LINUX STABLE I WOULD HAVE NO INSTEREST
IN A MINTDEBIAN (Unofficial) BASED ON DEBIAN STABLE VERSION.
Still running Debian version 4 ETCH -r6

On The contrary, it's going to be very interesting to run Debian Lenny 5
Stable with mint tools, packages (not sure) ported to it. Uncertain for me.
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GLACIX 6.1 - It was (is) a discardable and useless attempt without
no sense. Sorry because i know it's hard for you to hear from me such tough words
It's Debian Testing Lenny + multimidia -flash -Java - mintUpdate (not stabilized)
and mintMenu (mutilated) - all the mint tools don't appear in this edition.
One more thing on the road...
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Please, don't ask why not you? I am not a kind of developer and i am very busy guy.

Any thoughts from forum users about this post?

You think this post is irrelevant or boring, let it die.
I just had some thoughts and i would want to share them.

Cheers
Roberto
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[Rebel]

In Gnome it seems like the dial up user is getting the short end of the stick so I am asking if gnome-ppp can be included in Glacix Debian, Mint Debian, and Gnome, as well as XFCE Ubuntu based. This would be to the advantage of Mint since Ubuntu itself does not provide gnome-ppp. I like the installation it would be terrific if dial up users like myself could connect without using KDE desktop kppp. Best wishes to all!!

[Yownanymous]

I'd like to help with the Debian Mint project, it looks promising. Although I'm not very experienced with Debian (used it a couple of times), I can learn...

[exploder]

I saw this today while visting the Mepis forum.

http://www.geekconnection.org/remasters ... stool.html

This has an installer according to the site.

[awong]

I've used remastersys to make my own private installable EduMint DVD distro. It's fairly easy to use and works surprising well for what I needed to do. It's worth experimenting with in my opinion.

[npap]

Just curious.
What would you Gurus think of the following scheme?

1) Get Mepis AntiX 8, IceWM desktop (Advantage: The fast and simple Mepis installer.).
http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/pub/MEPIS/antix/antiX-M8.iso


2) Add Gnome using Synaptics.
The result is a Debian Lenny-based version using the fast Mepis installer.

3) Clean up any unwanted branding and software.

4) Add all the Mint goodies to it.

As a matter of fact, I have done steps 1 and 2 . This hybrid Debian is working beautifully in my test disk.
I have no idea on how to use Remastersys. Perhaps, I have no idea of what I'm talking about .
Will somebody be kind enough to consider this odd scheme?
Good luck ,
npap

[rivenought]

MEPIS AntiX 8 + GNOME = A really festive idea. I like what you have cooked up thus far. OK, well, I am undecided on the Brady Bunch orange panel you have up top. It is artistic, to say the least.

I have been giving a pure Debian install a thorough test-driving. After plenty of fiddling, I think I have a good bit of the Mint functionality, if not the tools. That is why I have liked experiments such as Glacix so much. I have not heard much out of maybeway36 lately.

Anticapitalista has done excellent work on the AntiX versions I have tested. Honestly, the only reason I have not done much further testing was the homesickness for Mint and GNOME.

Anyway, yeah, +1 on your idea, npap.

[npap]

Thanks for your approval Rivenought.

My only complaint about Debian has always been the long time that it takes to install.
So, with a free ride on Anti X 8, I got a Debian (by accident) that took much less time. Besides, isn't the installer that has been an issue with the Mint Debian?

You seem to know more than I do on this matter, so why not take an initiative to give this project a push.
I don't think that Mepis will object to taking advantage of their very good installer. And Anti would probably be
eager and happy to help.

Thanks again,
Greetings, npap

[rivenought]

I agree that the installation time for a plain Debian install took longer than Mint. However, after downloading DVD 1 and not adding a mirror to begin with, the installation was much faster. When all packages are pulled from the DVD, time is cut down to about 35 or 45 minutes on my system. I have a sources list to add once I have everything up and running to get multimedia and backports set up. Then, it only takes a few little blocks of code/scripts I have put together to have the system rocking. Yes, it took me numerous times of trial and error, as well as lots of note-taking with good old Zim, to get as far as I am at this point. I am learning just like everyone else. It is slow, but I am making progress.

I am not, and most likely will never be, in the league with Anticapitalista. He is much more talented than I am. If he was to decide to do a project over this way, I know I would be happy to help him do some testing. I do try to help out where and when I can.

I keep wondering what Warren could come up with in regards to using GNOME with his MEPIS instead of KDE. I still need to do some experimenting over in his campground sometime soon.

[npap]

I am not, and most likely will never be, in the league with Anticapitalista. He is much more talented than I am. If he was to decide to do a project over this way, I know I would be happy to help him do some testing. I do try to help out where and when I can.

I keep wondering what Warren could come up with in regards to using GNOME with his MEPIS instead of KDE. I still need to do some experimenting over in his campground sometime soon.

Good work Rivenought

As a matter of fact, I suggested the idea of a Gnome version to Anti.
He seemed to accept it but he said that he didn't have the time to maintain two different distributions.

Cheers,
npap

[maybeway36]

If someone wanted to make a Mepis-based "minty" CD, that would be great. You can't use remastersys with Mepis; it uses its own system, and I don't really know much about it.
You could look here if you're interested:
http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php/Remastering_script
EDIT: Just saw exploder's post. Didn't know remastersys had an installer. Nice!

[anticapitalista]

I'll join the thread to mention that there is someone called vampirefo already making a gnome MEPIS

http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showt ... nome+MEPIS

You could quite easily do the same with antiX (as has been done) or maybe even better by using the antiX-base version.

How well MINT tools would work on an antiX (or MEPIS) Debian base I have no idea, but I'd be interested in finding out.

Good luck with the project.

anticapitalista

[npap]

You're a great guy, Anti
Having followed Mepis during its evolution, I have been wondering when this extremely well-designed distribution will finally come out with a Gnome desktop.
So, your information on the matter is great news.
I have been using Mepis for years as an alternative, for reliability, when my other distribution in my dual-boot system fails.

Will download Mepis-Gnome and give some feedback as soon as possible..

I would surely like to see Mepis and Mint get together. Mepis IMHO deserves a better place in the "Linux Hall of Fame"

Cheers,
npap

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Re: Mint Debian/ A POSSIBLE WORKAROUND

New postby npap on Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:57 pm
Just curious.
What would you Gurus think of the following scheme?

1) Get Mepis AntiX 8, IceWM desktop (Advantage: The fast and simple Mepis installer.).
http://mirror.cs.vt.edu/pub/MEPIS/antix/antiX-M8.iso


2) Add Gnome using Synaptics.
The result is a Debian Lenny-based version using the fast Mepis installer.

3) Clean up any unwanted branding and software.

4) Add all the Mint goodies to it.

Sounds good. Here is another idea....install Parsix. (Debian based with Gnome interface.) Then add the Mint goodies and do the clean up. What do ya think?

[merlwiz79]

Here is how to make Debian Minty, with custom mintmenu, mint-info and mintsystem packages.
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=30299#p174593

[clem]

Hi,

Just a little note to say that I'm planning on working on the Debian edition again, and this time the goal won't be just an ALPHA experiment.

- mintconstructor is now compatible with Debian Live. I pushed the code change in github yesterday.
- I'm planning to write an installer.
- It will be a rolling distribution.
- Neither the release cycle nor the version numbers will follow those of the other Mint editions.
- Improvements will be pushed towards it incrementally, so it will miss features at first, and slowly but surely it will catch up with the other editions.
- It should be based on Debian testing, possibly Debian Unstable.

Clem.

[rivenathos]

Clem,
This is excellent news! I am looking forward to helping with testing. I already run Debian Lenny 64-bit, as well as the 32-bit version on another machine. Please keep us updated on your progress.

[tawan]

Cool news.