Change the "tone" of some (error) messages
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Change the "tone" of some (error) messages
I f you right click on the clock you get a message:
"THE CONFIGURATION COULD NOT BE LOADED - You are not allowed to access the system configuration"
The phrase "You are not allowed to access the system configuration" is a bit blunt - something like "Use sudo to do this" is better language (though incorrect)
This is what the user telic has to say:
Thing is, that's not a proper way for any desktop OS to address its user(s). Whenever the word "You" is used, even by a machine -- or, perhaps, especially by a machine -- then the situation is needlessly (thus inappropriately) made personal. My PC is my servant. It may cop an attitude only so far as that amuses me.
I agree to some extent. This is a legacy from Ubuntu, but checking trough messages sometime in the future might be worthwhile
"THE CONFIGURATION COULD NOT BE LOADED - You are not allowed to access the system configuration"
The phrase "You are not allowed to access the system configuration" is a bit blunt - something like "Use sudo to do this" is better language (though incorrect)
This is what the user telic has to say:
Thing is, that's not a proper way for any desktop OS to address its user(s). Whenever the word "You" is used, even by a machine -- or, perhaps, especially by a machine -- then the situation is needlessly (thus inappropriately) made personal. My PC is my servant. It may cop an attitude only so far as that amuses me.
I agree to some extent. This is a legacy from Ubuntu, but checking trough messages sometime in the future might be worthwhile
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I agree.
This sort of message is where mint can refine itself and also not scare off new users.
But this is more than just an error message problem. This application/action and any that requires sudo access should first ask for a password and attempt to sudo the command before politely denying you access (if you're not a sudoer).
wax on, wax off.
This sort of message is where mint can refine itself and also not scare off new users.
But this is more than just an error message problem. This application/action and any that requires sudo access should first ask for a password and attempt to sudo the command before politely denying you access (if you're not a sudoer).
wax on, wax off.
Now where was i going? Oh yes, crazy!
Are you guys really serious? Offended sensibilities? Hell, when I started messing about with this system, I was not only "denied access," but when I persisted it wagged it's figurative finger at me and told me I would be reported. And report me it did. It reported me to myself. I found it somewhat amusing, but my sensibilities remained intact.
Now, if my girlfriend denied me access in such a tone, well. . .
Now, if my girlfriend denied me access in such a tone, well. . .
A careless "Hey, the Linux user interface is less of a dog than it used to be" mindset is counterproductive to making Linux Mint suitable for the mainstream desktop user.
Bianca makes multiple errors in this case.
First, as the sole user of my PC, I do indeed have authority to change the system clock. I can wipe Bianca off of my PC completely if I tire of her "You can't do that" presumption. If I wanted an OS with a bossy persona I'd buy Microsoft Vista.
Second, the Adjust Date & Time item shows as an active option. Since Bianca knows that I can't make any use of that menu item (unless I'm logged in as root), the option should be faded out so that I won't bother to click it.
Does the way Bianca handles this situation imply that I should always be logged in as root? Madness.
PCLinuxOS does it right: I'm simply prompted to enter the root password to proceed with the requested action.
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Bianca makes multiple errors in this case.
First, as the sole user of my PC, I do indeed have authority to change the system clock. I can wipe Bianca off of my PC completely if I tire of her "You can't do that" presumption. If I wanted an OS with a bossy persona I'd buy Microsoft Vista.
Second, the Adjust Date & Time item shows as an active option. Since Bianca knows that I can't make any use of that menu item (unless I'm logged in as root), the option should be faded out so that I won't bother to click it.
Does the way Bianca handles this situation imply that I should always be logged in as root? Madness.
PCLinuxOS does it right: I'm simply prompted to enter the root password to proceed with the requested action.
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I agree that an action requiring root access should not appear as active for a normal user, and simply having a password prompt is the cleanest way to go about it.
That's for ease of use, but offended sensibilities? Are really people that thin-skinned?
That's for ease of use, but offended sensibilities? Are really people that thin-skinned?
I don't have a solution, but I do admire the problem.
When I clicked on that the first time I felt baffled and a bit irritated by the combination of "you don't..." and a not greyed out menu item....
This is a small and in itself insignificant problem, but it can lead to quite unnecessary frustration.
It may be to time-consuming but I believe all (?) messages should be looked upon and changed if needed.
This is a small and in itself insignificant problem, but it can lead to quite unnecessary frustration.
It may be to time-consuming but I believe all (?) messages should be looked upon and changed if needed.
I purposefully chose those words, in jest of those who say "Personally I get offended by people that take offence so easily to anything and everything."That's for ease of use, but offended sensibilities? Are really people that thin-skinned?
Seems there's a Terminal lack of couth in this Wild Frontier.
Again, Linux's old guard can be its worst representatives. As though they've spent so much time at the fringe that they've become unable to walk down Main Street without lurching like feral misfits. Genius, but generally unable to see the difference between a class act and the undue "politically correct."
Bianca is going out into personal spaces and private quarters. Her "You are not allowed" yip is an error, both in fact and in manner.
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Well, one problem with written posts is that jest is not immediately obvious... whatever your intent.telic wrote: I purposefully chose those words, in jest of those who say "Personally I get offended by people that take offence so easily to anything and everything."
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And while I can understand "frustrating", "offending" for an error message seemed to me a somewhat over the top.
Now, as frustration is one of the main things that drive people away from an operating system, I wholly agree that making the user experience as smooth as possible is a good idea, and changing unhelpful/blunt error messages may help. We should be careful not to overdo it, though.
I don't have a solution, but I do admire the problem.
Yet even "over the top" signals didn't stop you from taking a negative approach to harmless words from a stranger.And while I can understand "frustrating", "offending" for an error message seemed to me a somewhat over the top.
It isn't my intent to be cruel. I've noticed that the Linux community is thick with buckaroos who have a chip on their shoulder about their OS. It's part of a mindset. So, while my choice of words was entirely innocuous to the mainstream consciousness, I anticipated that my phrasing would overload the buckaroo "sensibilities". And it did, evidently, as you couldn't let my words pass without some huff.
You (and others) prove to be readily "thin-skinned" in your own predictable ways.
That's human nature, and it's why sentient predators will study their prey.
Corporate studies show that the average Jane and Joe don't want technologies that minimize them or convey a lack of "emotional intelligence."
I believe Ubuntu's relative popularity, for example, is due to its "Humanity to others" agenda. That has a tribal appeal to everyday people.
Methinks desktop Linux may become popular for home use only after it has been tempered via widespread corporate office use.
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I usually assume people post in good faith. It' you're deliberately choosing your words as "over the top" to make people react, don't go and and call them "harmless" afterward - you can't have it both ways...telic wrote:Yet even "over the top" signals didn't stop you from taking a negative approach to harmless words from a stranger.
Never would such an idea come to me. In fact, stuffed was what came to my mind... Sorry if this wasn't what you were trying to project.telic wrote:It isn't my intent to be cruel.
I don't have a solution, but I do admire the problem.
In good faith, I thought you were over-dramatizing. I could have put it that way, but I chose not to.telic wrote:So, believing that I truly was offended, you chose to huff at my sensibilities -- in good faith?
And I don't even have speakers on that workstation. What a waste.telic wrote:This is where we cue the buckaroo Wild Frontier music.
You're promoting me to Linux Old Guard? Why thanks! I'm flattered.telic wrote:Mind your feral lurching.------
I don't have a solution, but I do admire the problem.
Why would an apparent, "over the top", over-dramatization prompt you to ask, "Are really people that thin-skinned?" And then you say that "offended sensibilities" isn't harmless, while those words aren't even part of the report here.In good faith, I thought you were over-dramatizing.
Are Husse, Boo, bef, and I really thin-skinned and disingenuous?!
Oh my.
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