Open Office

[Boo]

I agree.
OO should be in mint KDE, you can use koffice if you prefer or remove OO (back to DVD size).

I think we should be presenting a unified front for mint gnome/kde editions (and later xfce). Which ever DM you choose you should get the same core applications like OO, firefox, K3B, f-spot...

Boo

[scorp123]

People no matter what the Linux community thinks, like to buy software on CD.

I don't. And I don't have to. Linux's package managers are far superior to this obsolete form of software distribution. It's just a waste of resources and pollutes the environment e.g. when one day you throw the CD away.

All Linux distros need to have ...

Please do some reading before you post a sentence like that, OK? "All Linux distros" is not about pleasing you or me, it is about Freedom ... The creators of one Linux distro choose to make things like this, others choose to make things like that ... It is their freedom to do so. And nobody is putting a gun to your head and saying BS like "Use Linux or else .... " -- You are free to use Linux if you want to. But you don't have to. You're just as free to continue using Windows or move to Apple and MacOS X. Linux is about having choice. Therefore sentences such as "all Linux distros need to have ... " are plain rubbish and quite idiotic because it totally contradicts what Linux is about.

So that software can be sold at stores on CD, so that people can buy it

Why do I need to buy a CD if I can download stuff for free????? Read above. The entire argument is quite .... ehm .... stupid Sorry to say so

The installer for all distros needs to be a good safe one that is in the Linux kernel. That way it goes to all distros unless someone removes it.

Now that's quite idiotic, wouldn't you agree? Maybe you'd wish to read about OS design and especially read about what an OS kernel is supposed to do and what not? Once you read that you'd have to ask yourself: What in the world is an installer application for user space apps doing in the kernel ???? Aha. You see? That's why nobody, especially not Linus Torvalds, has integrated such nonsense into the kernel - it simply does not belong there

And to your other argument "unless someone removes it": Who would guarantee that somebody wouldn't fork off their development efforts and remove that nonsense right away and thus again create a distro that is different from the rest? Bingo. That's already the very situation we have today. So why put up such a vain effort and force an application into the kernel (where it doesn't belong !!!) when you already realise that someone (or everybody?) might remove it anyway again and thus render your suggestion useless again?

I hope you now realise the shortcomings of what you posted ... it would be better for you to do some reading and maybe try and find a Linux distro (or maybe a different OS altogether??) that suits you.

As for OpenOffice: Why didn't you simply install it with "Synaptic" or the "Add / Remove Software" menu?? Could be that KPackage had troubles with the auto-resolving and downloading of dependencies; Synaptic is known to work perfectly in this regard. You could try again maybe and tell us more precisely what dependency you can't get sorted out?


EDIT:

Modded myself a bit ... My posting was overly aggressive and rude. My apologies.

[scorp123]

Many Windows users don't have broad band. So your fine KPacage or Add/Remove does them no good because if the ISP were good enough to let them stay on line long enough to download something like OpenOffice.org it would take several days.

Distros such as SUSE ship on DVD with all applications you'd ever need already on the DVD. Office suites? Check: Koffice, OpenOffice, Gnumeric, Abiword, tons of others. Just pick what you want during the installation. Or install them all if you want to and if your disk is big enough. Graphics programs? Check. GIMP, Inkscape, Krita, ImageMagick, and tons of others. Multimedia? Check. Amarok, k3b, RealPlayer, ... everything is there on the DVD. Programming? Check. Tons of compilers and programming languages are already there on the DVD.

It's just a matter of buying the right distro and you never even have to connect to the Internet and download anything, except the small update or patch here and there

To Linux gurus (you) buying CDs is old and useless,

The way you formulated it: Yes. There are of course cases where I too need to buy a CD, e.g. in the case of commercial software which isn't free for download. But just because of that we don't need to have Linux changed upside down into another Windows

Those that should be the Linux target market feel this way.

You see, that's where you are wrong. Nobody is targetting the broad masses of Windows users Commercial vendors such as Red Hat, Novell/SUSE, Xandros and now Oracle are rather targetting the business users and their server rooms. The broad mass of Windows users just isn't ready yet it seems.

And the kernel developers don't really care about this. They develop this stuff because they like developing it and not because they want their system on 99% of all desktops. Take Torvalds for example: He simply doesn't care about this (and I fully agree with him): "I do not compete."

In other words: Use Linux if you want to use it. But nobody forces you to do it.

Mint is good, but it could be better is what I was saying.

You should talk to clem then ... Mint is his baby and this is his one-man-show. You could open a new thread with your suggestions in the "Feedback & Suggestions" sub-forum here ...

But put this distro in front of 100 average windows users

You see, that's the problem You expect everything to behave and work like Windows .... and that just isn't going to happen.

On the contrary: Give a total computer noob (e.g. my wife !!) a Linux installation ... and guess what? She is totally and completely happy. And nope, for her it isn't complicated at all.

Let's suppose she wants the new version of Firefox? Point and click, tick the checkbox that offers the new version, and woooosh, the new version and all its dependencies get auto-installed. She doesn't need to worry about anything. Install location? Language? Nope - the system will take care of it.

Let's compare that to Windows: Search the right SETUP.EXE and then click through various dialogues ... Now that is scary for a noob? Install location? C:\Program Files\Mozilla\Firefox .... what in the world is that??? And why is this thing in German when I wanted to have it in English like the rest of my desktop???

Believe me ... Once you let go of your bad Windows habits you will come to realise that it is you who enjoys unnecessarily complicated things ... not me

it WILL have to have a good easy way to install software when it is NOT on line.

See above It already has. It's just that you can't let go of that "setup.exe" idea which is not needed here

[scorp123]

You could have found the solution sooner if you had bothered to answer my question about what error you are experiencing

I nontheless enjoyed the philosophical discussion instead

[scorp123]

And I told you before it did not give an error just that there was a problem

Well, what precisely did it say? Or what precisely do you do to receive whatever reaction you get from your system? My crystal ball is down for maintenance so I can't look into it and watch what you do ... you'll have to use your keyboard and try to explain it to me, using the most precise descriptions you're capable of, OK?

And just so you know the instructions given in the other post only installed the OpenOffice Printer Administration function and NOT OpenOffice.org so I still am without OO.o

Maybe just some icons missing? Can you open a terminal (e.g. "Konsole" in KDE; "GNOME Terminal" in GNOME ...) please and do the following:

- type "oo" followed by hitting the TAB key two or three times ...When I do this here my system spits out this list of possible commands that all start with "oo":

• scorp123:~> oo (+ hitting the tab key a few times here)
  oobase oodraw ooimpress ootool
  oocalc ooffice oomath ooweb
  ooconfig oofromtemplate oooqs oowriter

So given my system gives me all those commands that start with "oo" I can be pretty sure that OpenOffice is installed on my system. What if we do that on your's? Can you please post the results?

So since Mint will not tell me what the issue is and ONLY that there is an issue. How do you propose I go about this?

With patience

[scorp123]

Opened console and typed oo as requested this is what it gave me.

mike@mike-desktop:~$ oo
bash: oo: command not found
mike@mike-desktop:~$

You pressed ENTER .... you were not supposed to press ENTER ... just TAB a few times, not ENTER ...

oo + TAB TAB TAB (not ENTER!)

[scorp123]

Wrong I pressed tab.

Doesn't look like it because the system responded with "bash: oo: command not found" ... This definitely means that you hit the Enter key and thus entered "oo" as command ... which the system of course doesn't know anything about

mike@mike-desktop:~$ oo

now it just beeps at me.

Please open a terminal and give us the verbatim results (whatever output the system gives back!) of the following command sequence, OK?

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sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install openoffice.org

[scorp123]

http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15875

Doesn't work for the KDE edition, but for the "normal" edition it works fine. I am surprised that an apt-get doesn't work (that's a BIG bug right there), but for some reason it doesn't.

Did you test this? Please send a PM to clem then so he can fix this bug ...