I always enjoy hearing from you. You are, without question, a very knowledgeable, computer literate individual. And, although I do not have any professional experience or background, I too have seen what horrendous mistakes Windows users make in both security protocols and software selection. But how do we go from experienced Linux users to inexperienced Windows novices in order to present your points? In the Linux world, since the predictable demise of Linspire, how many Linux OSs are there that encourage their users to continuously operate their system as the 'root' user? I am not sure of the answer, but I would suspect the number would be few.
The kind of actions I discussed earlier are ones that occur every day with users who are operating under various KDE operating systems. Root terminals and root file managers proliferate in the menu options of KDE systems. They are not only allowed, but are recommended in documentation and/or wikis as specific solutions to certain situations. This is done because the solutions are quick, practical, and safe when used as they should be. I have been using Linux as my primary operating system since sometime (how memory fails me
) in 2004 with a boxed copy of SUSE purchased at a CompUSA store in Bakersfield, California. Since that time I have used quite a few Linux distros, on multiple machines simultaneously, and frequented the forums of all those that actually stayed on one of my hard drives for more than a day or two. In that time, I have come across far more posts with dire warnings about unsafe operations than I have posts from those who actually experienced these dire problems and have come to the forum for help due to their misuse of the freedom of access to root, to accomplish something on their own hard drive.
Regarding root access, Linux Mint allows end users access root in multiple ways. My post originated because I was frustrated when one of the utilities Linux Mint provided did not work. It was a utility I was very familiar with in the 'KDE world', a root terminal. The command was in the menu but did not function. Obviously the powers that be at Linux Mint feel it is OK to access root on your own system, or it wouldn't have built those options into application choices, utilities, and menu systems. Since this freedom is provided to us, inherently in the operating system, maybe your comments are better directed at Clem or Husse on this one? I am just the smuck that was frustrated when one of the built-in features didn't work, and elated when someone calmly explained how I could access the freedom that was supposed to be there anyway, in another, simple method. Unique idea, having personal control over something that belongs to you -- it has merits if we could get a few people together to flesh out the idea...
This could go on forever, but the little I know of you, you are a clever, tenacious person. You will definitely outlast me on this one. I 'ran this up the flag pole' hoping it might lead to a good natured bantering on a time worn subject. I was wrong -- I haven't had any fun with this at all. I was completely confused on the part of your post where you inferred my using a root account, on my personal data would somehow disrupt the security of the entire worldwide web and all those who use it. Do I really have that much power when I use 'gksu chown root *.* /home/hawkeye/dumptruck?
All this was really set off by emorrf1's comment:
"no, but a root terminal can be very dangerous. You can get a temporary root terminal by running "sudo su" and then typing "exit" after you're done."
OK, aside from the increased number of keystrokes, how is using 'sudo su' more secure than using a menu option to bring up a root terminal (that also requires a password) and then typing 'exit', the same termination of activity either way? OK, I vaguely understand the persistence issue, but is a person who types 'sudo su' smart enough to type 'exit', but one who accesses a root terminal through a menu option inherently incapable of remembering to type 'exit'?
Warm up Fred, et al, and take your best shot. I am definitely done with this one, and besides, the paranoids are after me.