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Post by hairy_Palms »

1 simple unavoidable reason for not basing on fedora, RPM is a dog, seriously its awful. its why i still use debian based distros.
yum, urpmi arent much good either, both are slow as turtles and urpmi especially breaks too much .

as for the guy who thinks fedora broke grub, fedora stores its config files in /etc/grub.conf rather than /boot/grub/menu.lst other than that its the same.
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@Boo
I have 6 distros and 10 partitions on a single drive...
I added my distros manually in the install, but when I tried to start anything but Fedora7 I got an error (unfortunately I didn't write it down) about something looking like a chainloader
//edit june 29 by husse/
My short time in Linux has played a part here. You could add the other OS you have when you install - but of course (?) the installer isn't smart enough to look into the boot folder of these to make the right adjustment to its menu.lst and just adds a chainloader. The Mint/Ubuntu installer does this...//
I repaired grub according to the new wiki http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php ... _your_grub
(author husse :)).
Then I booted Bianca and studied the boot folder in Fedora - its menu.lst is a "Link to unknown"...
So I can't look at it and see which lines I should add to Biancas menu.lst to start Fedora (tried a few alternatives)
This I call non standard :)

@hairy_Palms
/etc/grub.conf
Thanks, I'll look into that when I've finished answering :)
Yes, that did it - copied from there to Bianca's menu.lst and booted Fedora7. No success with networking though - it can't even connect to the broadband router, the same router as I use right now to write this. Won't do much about it......
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I have 6 distros and 10 partitions on a single drive...
Clem, LET'S GO! :lol:

sorry Husse, just a private joke
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sorry Husse, just a private joke
Yes - just joke about me - uahuah :(
Just joking :):)
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I agree with mrB but it's not a big problem. However I have not managed to get networking started in Fedora - I can't even ping my broadband router.....
Something brake PCLOS so I reinstalled it and played round a bit. Surprisingly I could not find some "update manager" and opened synaptics and tried to "Reload" but nothing happened. It seems that PCLOS has changed address to their repos - I got a "404" when I used a repo adress in Firefox...
But still PCLOS seems easy to use and Fedora very nice looking.
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Post by Caraibes »

My own humble opinion is that Fedora 7 flies much much higher than any other distro today... PCLOS can't even compare, and I am not saying it is not a good product, it is just not on the same level as F7...
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Post by Sorensei »

Yes, I'm personally also a KDE user, but Mint's Gnome is the one that had me close to switching... :wink:
I don't have a solution, but I do admire the problem.
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srturner47 wrote:With PCLinuxOS I used Google Desktop, but I prefer FOSS like Beagle.
I am for the complete suppression of Mono and its components (Beagle, Tomboy, F-Spot and so...) :wink:
srturner47 wrote:mintInstall -- pretty cool. Maybe someday it will replace synaptic
especially not! :roll:
srturner47 wrote:(Except I miss Karamba and Nautilus should have a way to type the location of a directory as well as to navigate to it!)
Nautilus does already that. :wink:
srturner47 wrote:Very impressive. I think Mint will definitely continue to grow in popularity.
Yes, sure! 8) :D
srturner47 wrote:One of my favorite control center utilities from PCLinuxOS is the GRUB editor. I can change all my GRUB settings without editing any text files. (By the way, I love the xorg.conf editor in Mint's Control Center. Nice touch!)
Hum...editing a file is not more difficult than open a text file by exemple :D
srturner47 wrote:K3B - I know I can't D/L it from the repos, but I consider this standard software. I'd love to see this included with the distro install CD.
especially not! K3B is very dependent on KDE and to use it in Gnome amount almost making turn the two desktops at the same time! Brasero for example is a replacing good for Gnome
srturner47 wrote:Klipper -- Love this! Why not include Glipper in Mint?
Glipper? Why not, it is true that Klipper is a good thing in KDE also why not its Gnome version?

P.S.= I am sorry if my english is not completely correct, I am French and my english is not very developed. I used a translator of the Web sometimes…
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K.I.S.S. ===> "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
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Mono is the application of .NET of Microsoft in Linux by Novell. While being a little provocative one can say that Mono is a way Microsoft wins in the Linux world... :(

A desktop search? Hum...why? :?
srturner47 wrote:virtually everything should be configurable using a GUI
Maybe but if you want to open Grub for example as root it is enough to install the package "nautilus-gksu" from the synaptic, then re-start your session and with a right click you have:"open as administrator" and a GUI opens: the text editor Gedit. It is very easy. I think that even a beginner coming from Windows can use a text editor. But I did not test PCLinuxOS... :wink:

I agree for the CD Burner. I vote for Brasero (or maybe GnomeBaker?)
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K.I.S.S. ===> "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Albert Einstein)
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Post by Caraibes »

Hey Clem, you should test-drive Pardus 2007.2.

I dual-boot it now with my good ol'Fedora, and it seems very nice !

Interesting project : it is not commercial, it is backed by a non-US government... And also it is not based on another distro ;)
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Caraibes wrote:
it is backed by a non-US government
Being backed by a government (any government) is supposed to be a good thing?
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newW2 wrote:Caraibes wrote:
it is backed by a non-US government
Being backed by a government (any government) is supposed to be a good thing?
Well, by that I was meaning it is not backed by a commercial entity. For instance, one can argue Red Hat & Novell release Fedora & OpenSUSE as testbeds for RHEL & SLED... I don't agree as I am a very happy Fedora user.

My point was that the development of Pardus seems not be be motivated by the desire to make money out of it, since it is funded by a government, far away from the USA and its restrictive laws. (no offense to my beloved friendly USA).

Then again, it is only my personal view, and I understand it takes us back to the sempiternal debate between left & right, or Democrats vs Republicans : -"is it better to leave the world to regulate itself with business & big multinationals, or do we need governments to babysit us a bit with regulations ???"
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Yes how we allow our government(s) to intervene and or regulate is a very slippery slope to walk. And ...

I had similar thoughts about commercial entities. I was actually thinking of the way the 3000 pound patent gorilla props up governments anywhere, by giving gifts, that in the long run, are only just a means to self promote and monopolize free and non free markets. Oh and can't that tangent off into a discussion about a governments ability or inability to affectively regulate and assure that the private sector has choice?

We will not solve any of the worlds problems here for sure. However, I must say that I really enjoyed reading your response. Very well said!
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Post by Caraibes »

Hi all, just a quick follow-up since my post on Pardus 2007.2.

Despite being a very interesting project, it can absolutely not measure up against Fedora. Therefore, it can't neither measure up against Mint, PCLOS, Debian, *Buntu etc...

I am not saying it is bad, but that Pardus still needs to fill its repos, especially when it comes to internationalization. OOo & FF locale were missing...

I'll keep on following its releases, because Pardus KDE was very fast & nice, and the choice of the fonts for FF was much nicer than any other distros...
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