Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 1

tdockery97 · Post by **tdockery97** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 5:53 pm

For those interested in giving it a try, there is a direct link to the download on DistroWatch under the Latest Distributions column.

exploder · Post by **exploder** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:05 pm

I couldn't even get it to boot up from the Live CD....

GeneC · Post by **GeneC** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:32 pm

Got it to boot, but to see UNITY you have to install and load 3D drivers. Cant see UNITY from live CD.
From what I have seen of UNITY with my OZ UNITY install the "GEE WHIZ" flashyness wears off quickly. I prefer the Gnome desktop and hope MINT sticks with it in MINT 11.

exploder · Post by **exploder** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:44 pm

The flashiness of UNR has not worn off for me in Oz OS, I think it looks cool.

Clem has already stated that he intends to stay with classic gnome for Mint 11, so the community doesn't have to worry about that. It is too early in the development cycle for me to do a hard drive install of 11.04. I will wait and see how things progress. My DVD-RWs are in pretty bad shape from use so that might be where my problems booting came from.

GeneC · Post by **GeneC** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:52 pm

Hey Exploder!

I agree, being new to LINUX I have been trying all kinds of distros. MINT is the only one I keep coming back too, and is my main OS. I really don't see any advantage with UNITY unless its just change for changes sake. Good to hear about MINT staying course.

I had trouble several times burning CD's and DVD's with Brasero, but since I switched over to K3B I have yet to have a bad burn. Its an excellent program.

Be Well.

JonM33 · Post by **JonM33** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:18 pm

GeneC wrote:Got it to boot, but to see UNITY you have to install and load 3D drivers. Cant see UNITY from live CD.
From what I have seen of UNITY with my OZ UNITY install the "GEE WHIZ" flashyness wears off quickly. I prefer the Gnome desktop and hope MINT sticks with it in MINT 11.

Oz Unity is not the new Unity Ubuntu interface.

Considering the leap in appearance that Mint did from 9 to 10, I look forward to 11.

GeneC · Post by **GeneC** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:33 pm

Oz Unity is not the new Unity Ubuntu interface.

Never even got a chance to look at it...lol. Only saw screenshots of the UBUNTU UNITY desktop.

The UNITY desktop has a "dock" on the left, but looks to be a bit cleaner than the OZ look.

Gnome is just easier to use to me. UNITY just seems clumsy.

tdockery97 · Post by **tdockery97** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:06 pm

Your right, but IMO Oz Unity's UNR desktop blows Unity out of the water. This is the Ubuntu 11.04 Unity desktop in use:

vrkalak · Post by **vrkalak** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:33 pm

A question for those that have been testing the NEW Ubuntu 11.04 with Unuty

I'm more interested in the generic Linux 2.6.37 Kernel that Ubuntu is using than in the new Unity interface.

How does the new 2.6.37 Kernel compare?
Can you see an increase in performance?
Does the Kernel seem to handle everything better?
and is it more hardware ready/friendly?
Different internet connections? CPU? Speeds?

tdockery97 · Post by **tdockery97** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:38 pm

I haven't tried any tech-testing on the kernel. In my experience as a "normal" user, it seems to perform on a par with the 2.6.35-22 Mint 10 kernel. Recognizes all hardware just fine. I'm guessing that most of the improvements on the new kernel are in that area. In day to day use, it feels to me like there really isn't a speed difference.

TBABill · Post by **TBABill** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:06 pm

I installed it for a few hours then went right back to Mint 9. Mint 10 and Ubuntu 10.10 have too many quirks I just got tired of dealing with, such as taking over a minute every time I opened the screen on my laptop to even try to connect. But 11.04 was worse. Why on earth would anyone want to click the Ubuntu logo just to get to what we are used to having on mint as "all" on the Mint Menu? There are no categories, just every possible application in alphabetical order. Very wasteful of time and just looked incredibly cluttered. And having another panel on the left is just taking up screen real estate I don't want to give up. I like that Mint removed the second Gnome panel so to have another one so much larger just shrinks usable space.

I didn't care for it at all. Wasted time navigating to open other applications and just isn't as attractive visually. I know each of us will have our own impression and this was just mine. I hope others find better use of it because one day it may be standard in some form....but I bet it changes for the better as 11.04 gets nearer to release.

Tagged · Post by **Tagged** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:28 pm

Wasn't unity geared to netbooks? they trying to take it mainstream?

waldo · Post by **waldo** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:30 pm

Tagged wrote:Wasn't unity geared to netbooks? they trying to take it mainstream?

You are correct. Unity was first introduced as a netbook interface, because it was simple, and easier to make a small screen useful. A standard desktop interface on those tiny screens required keen eyesight. However, there was nothing about Unity that kept it from running on standard desktops, so in that sense, nothing kept it from being "mainstream", other than inertia and no pressing need to use it.

Mark Shuttleworth (the guy behind Ubuntu) apparently sees Unity as a path to taking Ubuntu to where it will be offered by computer manufacturers as a mainstream option (the few token machines that Dell and others sell with the present Ubuntu are not enough to count). Unity is being extensively modified for this task, so it will be different from the original netbook version. The concept behind the changes is to make it much easier for the typical (the non technically inclined 95%) computer user to navigate. The model for this "ease of use" goal is the iPhone/iPod/iPad Android way of doing things that so many non technical people today are very comfortable with. It is also pretty apparent that as technology changes, desktop computers will become more like iPads, perhaps with keyboards.

In other words, Shuttleworth is leveraging the already established base of skills, rather than trying to force people to learn new ones. He has assessed (correctly in my opinion) that most people barely tolerate (and only out of sheer necessity) the complexity of Windows, and will not adapt to Gnome or KDE under any circumstances.

Read the above paragraph again. You need to understand it to see where Ubuntu is going. I realize that many of us here do not see the need for drastic change or even want any part of it. However we are not the 95% that Shuttleworth sees as potential customers.

I wish him luck, because I don't see anyone else today that can break the Windows monopoly. And it needs breaking.

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