games

[degarb]

In my lmde, there are no preinstalled games. This is bad, makes the distro seem boring.

Also, on distro there should be a gui way of reinstalling grub on desktop.

also, wine install icon should be with every new install. Yes, I like taking the car, but walking is sometimes needed and fun. Just cause you drive a car, that doesn't antiquate walking.

[linXea]

Pre-installed games; at least I like the fact that only the most important software comes pre-packed in the .iso. If you want games, they are just one click away in 'package manager'. About GRUB, depending on how you have installed your OS, there should usually not be much to edit, if anything at all. With the amount of options GRUB offers I very much doubt that a GUI-tools would simplify anything.
Wine is just a tool to run windows-applications inside Linux, and to assume that everyone will/want/have to use Wine is wrong. I think it's important to encourage users to choose Linux native applications, that's what keep linux moving forward. Wine should only be used when absolutely necessary.

[degarb]

<<Pre-installed games; at least I like the fact that only the most important software comes pre-packed in the .iso. If you want games, they are just one click away in 'package manager'. >>

True, but how many k extra is a few games? For example, Ubuntu came with several games. Wife was on top of those, winning her over to ubuntu. While, I totally forgot to add games to Mint. She is clueless how to add software to a machine.

<<About GRUB, depending on how you have installed your OS, there should usually not be much to edit, if anything at all. With the amount of options GRUB offers I very much doubt that a GUI-tools would simplify anything. >>

Well, to reinstall grub, first I have to mount somethingy, then add grub to somedrive, not partition. Well, I forget, and would need to lookup, though I did this about 10 times in last two weeks. Thankfully, I know this can be done. My cousin gave up on linux when windows 7 took over grub, because he assumed there was no fix to reinstall grub and had to choose windows 7 over linux.

<<Wine is just a tool to run windows-applications inside Linux, and to assume that everyone will/want/have to use Wine is wrong. I think it's important to encourage users to choose Linux native applications, that's what keep linux moving forward. Wine should only be used when absolutely necessary.>>

I totally disagree that installing wine by default would slow use of any linux software, as long as snaptic and get software is prominent. Finding and installing linux software is easier than in windows, for a large part. [But it is a mixed bag. Also, who are we kidding, there are no replacements for some stuff. When is a good dos machine (Non negotiable for bash for many reasons), voice recognition, autohotkey replacement, coming? I use these hourly and cannot keep modem/router combo connected to internet without windows, because of a firmware bug. Some of my needed scripts won't run under virtual box. )

Besides, if wine worked flawlessly, no one would care for which operating system a program was written for. Things just would work. If things, all things, just worked, there would be no point in running windows, ever. Eventually, everything would be written for linux, as everyone would use Linux.

[linXea]

But it is a mixed bag. Also, who are we kidding, there are no replacements for some stuff. When is a good dos machine (Non negotiable for bash for many reasons), voice recognition, autohotkey replacement, coming?

In fact it can work very well. All these things you mention can be used within linux. Ive used Linux daily since 2002 and I haven't had the need to wine. And what you mention about GRUB, is it really only Linux responsibility to care for the comfort of dualboot between linux & windows? If microsoft added support for linuxboot or even a easy way to chainload to grub we wouldn't have this problem. Grub can boot almost any OS. For making the reinstall of grub easier are there tools available, eg. one command for mounting into chroot-enviroment etc. (probably not in Linuxmint default yet but the tool exist in other distrobutions)

BTW, when you choose to dualboot you choose to make life a bit harder. Actually, installing dualboot between two windows OSes isn't much easier. Look at it this way, skip the dualboot and linux is just as easy to install with working bootloader as windows, probably even easier.

[vrkalak]

Play-on-Linux > http://www.playonlinux.com//en/

Has a few hundred games, you can Play on Linux; many modern and popular.

PlayOnLinux is a piece of sofware which allows you to easily install and use numerous games and apps designed to run with Microsoft® Windows®.
Few games are compatible with GNU/Linux at the moment and it certainly is a factor preventing the migration to this system. PlayOnLinux brings a cost-free, accessible and efficient solution to this problem.

[bagge]

I agree that at least some card games/sudoku should be included. I think it's awesome that I was able to try out mint 10 while installing it from the dvd, and a game would be nice while waiting.

[monkeyboy]

In my lmde, there are no preinstalled games. This is bad, makes the distro seem boring.

Preferences are tough, you prefer games someone else wants to be free of clutter, who is right who is wrong?

Also, on distro there should be a gui way of reinstalling grub on desktop.

Grub GUIs that is an upstream issue. The folks who develop and maintain that project have never produced GUI tools but they are still the best folks to approach.

also, wine install icon should be with every new install. Yes, I like taking the car, but walking is sometimes needed and fun. Just cause you drive a car, that doesn't antiquate walking.

I would be nice if WINE was a point and click solution but too often it isn't. To get many applications to work at an acceptable level you need to study and tune the specifics install, which most point and click folks either won't or can't do. Perhaps down the road WINE will mature to the point that it will be point and click but again that is upstream issue and beyond the current realm of the Mint Devs. Good Luck

[jokersloose]

This one of the things I love about Linux in general. Each person has there own idea of what a "perfect" download is. There are somethings I would like to see pre-installed and some that are that I never use so for me wouldn't want them in my install.

James

[rivenathos]

I do not judge the quality of my Linux distribution based on some kiddie games or if it has Windows-compatibility software out-of-the-box.

To fit on a CD due to size restrictions, Ubuntu comes with games, but not the multimedia codecs. Solution: install the multimedia codecs. Click.
To fit on a CD due to size restrictions, Mint comes with multimedia codecs, but no games. Solution: install the gnome-games package. Click.
For those few who may need Wine in Ubuntu and Mint, install it. However, many of us have no use for Wine, so that bloatware is unnecessary.

If you want games, multimedia, and Wine all in one nifty distro, why not try Super OS? It is basically Ubuntu+codecs+Wine+a few more extras all on one DVD.
If you actually want everything and the kitchen sink, give Ultimate Edition a spin. It really does have almost everything all on one very large DVD.

[degarb]

I do not judge the quality of my Linux distribution based on some kiddie games or if it has Windows-compatibility software out-of-the-box.

To fit on a CD due to size restrictions, Ubuntu comes with games, but not the multimedia codecs. Solution: install the multimedia codecs. Click.
To fit on a CD due to size restrictions, Mint comes with multimedia codecs, but no games. Solution: install the gnome-games package. Click.
For those few who may need Wine in Ubuntu and Mint, install it. However, many of us have no use for Wine, so that bloatware is unnecessary.

If you want games, multimedia, and Wine all in one nifty distro, why not try Super OS? It is basically Ubuntu+codecs+Wine+a few more extras all on one DVD.
If you actually want everything and the kitchen sink, give Ultimate Edition a spin. It really does have almost everything all on one very large DVD.

Both mint editions I burned were dvd with only something like 900 megs on them and plenty of free space.

I am not judging, just saying a few k of card games is pretty much standard and has several benefits.

It is easier to remove skype and a few unneeded programs than take days adding many things missing. But, I guess that is why Opera would have flash and non flash versions for download. Thanks for the tip on superos and the other. Looks like what I might choose if I need to install another OS and recommend to others.

[monkeyboy]

degarb: It is easier to remove skype and a few unneeded programs than take days adding many things missing.

Dude what are you loading that is taking you days to install? Seriously if it is taking you that long to finish an install ask for help. I am sure the community can shorten that down to hours and not days. Good Luck

[Elisa]

However, I do suppose all Mint DVD versions could be filled with some more cool apps as it takes now just about 800 MB...
If DEVs/kings would need a list of what apps I am sure, not only me, would send you such list in a second

[monkeyboy]

Package size is a double edged sword. While we all would like this or that app added to a release there are those folks with slow download speeds or IP imposed download limits who want a smaller packages. Both groups have legitimate points so it comes down to balance. IMHO

[Elisa]

But some really cool apps won't take more than max. 200 MB, so up to 1 GB would be good and it really can sux or is a fist shot to one's eye if they're not included e.g. like:

YAGF
peazip
JDownloader
gwget/kget
guarddog
shutter
GtkHash
Remastersys
7z with full rar support etc.
bittorrent /ktorrent
vidalia & Tor / TorK
k3b
minitube
CLI companion
Krusader
TrueCrypt
Filelight
Disk Utility
pysdm
help/pdf files or closed to a date, to place on DVD 'an offline copy' of forums.linuxmint.com and community.linuxmint.com as html pages so everyone could offline browse and study up...
etc.

Huh?

As u can see they won't take much space and could be in a special folder like 'a free install' folder so it'd depend on each choice if s/he does want any of them to install or not...

But it sux when such cool and useful utilities 'you have to' download and install, they could be included on DVD already...

Info about some of them use google or some cool app alternatives