cristobal wrote:You're right. I was a bit harsh. I spent lot of time on the saline forum beating my head against the wall, trying to get the founders to have more of an open approach to their project. Their response was usually "we know what's best, deal with it."
That gave me the impression that saline was basically a personal project with the founders' taste in debian the only one considered. They'll end up with a following of like-thinkers about 1/100th the size of Linux Mint, who's founder is all about giving the people want they want.
I think the package repo for mint is what makes it more of unique distribution. LMDE's installer "was developed from scratch with Debian in mind. It’s configurable and it can be re-used by other Debian-based distributions". I would have loved to have installed LMDE from the get go, but unfortunately its image doesn't have a syslinux signature.
Hmm, I am unsure what I did to offend you so.
I don't know who you are quoting here, but it isn't me --> "we know what's best, deal with it." In fact I have admitted to being wrong more than once and will do it again (Really read my forums). I am only human after all. I don't believe you spent enough time on my forums in order to get frustrated enough for banging your head against a wall. If you really are that upset perhaps you should seek professional help. If you have any issues with the way I do things or suggestions on how to improve SalineOS, you are more than welcome to email me or come to the forums for civil conversation.
The entire reason I started SalineOS was simply because I wanted a distribution that was Debian Stable with backports installed automatically and nobody was making it. Yeah, I accomplish this with a script in /usr/local/bin with a button to run it pinned to the panel. This doesn't actually install anything it just configures apt to update a package if you have it installed. The configuration file itself will undergo an extra testing period as well as all packages it will install. I have been a Debian user for years and a heavy user of backports. I like this setup far better than running testing and I assume I am not alone in this regard. If you want to run testing and GNOME Mint LMDE is the right place. I have been good about not telling people to RTFM even if the question is how to install proprietary codecs. I do mention that it is in the user manual to encourage people to actually read it. The user manual is now up to 20 pages long and should help users new to the more traditional Debian ways to get started. New Linux users should be able to get started rather easily too, if they don't run away screaming with all the terminal commands I mention.
I include sgfxi to install proprietary graphics drivers because it will install the most up to date version and make updating the drivers easy. All users of SalineOS are more than welcome to open up Synaptic and grab the driver in the repositories. The user manual does only give step by step instructions for using sgfxi. I may consider mentioning the use of Synaptic, but I can think of no reason anyone would want to do so (Except possibly legacy cards but sgfxi supports those too). This has nothing whatsoever to do with Wayland as I am based on stable + backports. I would actually love to have Wayland for Wheezy so I can thoughtfully consider whether it would benefit users of SalineOS if I used it. Choice is a good thing and Xorg is a real pain sometimes.
Other general record setting straight:
Fragedelic is a great guy and you do in fact have his repository enabled if you run SalineOS. You can download Firefox and LibreOffice from it right now in fact and they will run perfect, but he only builds binaries for i386.The Mint menu and Remastersys are available for "all" (this is technically a lie Remastersys only works on i386 or AMD64). Remastersys installer can be used on pretty much any Debian based system too as long as its i386 or AMD64. I would rather help work on a pre-existing project than go off and write yet another installer.
Unlike Debian Xfce I don't use any QT on the images, but I don't stop anyone from downloading it from the repositories. I do actively discourage it as the system is pure GTK for a reason. I don't always know whats best for every user nor would I ever claim to, but the less libraries used the better really.
I am continuously shocked at the random packages I find to include all the time. SalineOS was an install from a Debian live DVD , which lacks quite a few stupid little things. So many issues on my forums have been fixed with a package. I will continue to add packages to make as many things work out of the box as possible. Within the confines of the law that is.
I completely rebuilt images to bring the changes to the Remastersys installer within 24 hours of its release. Its undergone a lot of work in the past couple weeks.
If you don't want to run Xfce then you don't really have any reason to use SalineOS. I am ok with this. There are not that many distributions that specialize in Xfce and Xfce alone. None of them scratched my itch so to speak.
"One reloads the user sources.list to the original installed version every time its run." The user manual goes over installing restricted codecs directly after installing the system. And, the script only needs to be run once. I didn't even consider that people would immediately modify the sources list, this was stupid I will admit. It has also been remedied as of the SalineOS 1.2 image builds.
Basically if you start using Debian you get whatever they have in the Repositories and access to all sorts of other community projects around the internet. You will be left to your own devices to Google and find these projects and learn to use them. SalineOS condenses the community projects into a single package (For distribution if you will) and includes documentation on their existence and how to use them. One of the reasons I made SalineOS was to raise awareness and money to help support some of these projects. These include:
winetricks (My winesetup script will download winetricks and use it to install some extras for wine automatically)
WINE repositories to keep WINE up to date.
Remastersys also allows me to distribute configuration files. There are about 30 or so that have been modified from the stock Debian install I began with. Yeah, anyone can modify configuration files, but why if they are already done for you. To answer distrowatch's review SalineOS is designed for someone who wants an efficient Debian based system that updates through backports with a button, includes "non-free but legally distributable" files, extra repositories, a couple of scripts for convenience and things you may have never known existed if you downloaded Debian. If you come from a background of any other Linux distro you should be able to grab my user manual and know exactly what you need to do to get your system up and running within a very short period of time. If you never used Linux before, that time period will be much longer, but you have a reference of what is what and a linear sense of progression presented before you. http://www.salineos.com/Downloads/UserManual.pdf
if you are interested. I am always taking suggestions and feedback on my forums.