Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
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Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Not a revolutionary idea but will help a lot.
Both of those packages carry a lot of useful software but some of us like total ergonomy and usability... ans so - after fresh installation I am always removing program that I will never use. Software like pidgim, tomboy, etc. gets removed to not sit in the disk without purpose.
Issue is - if a user wants to remove them, whole mint-meta package need to be removed/broken. On top of that I am loosing other software that I would like to use.
Could that be changed in next Mint ? I don't dare to say fixed, as this is not a bug, but I hope I will be understood.
- What are your opinions ?
I included small poll for graphical representation of opinions.
Both of those packages carry a lot of useful software but some of us like total ergonomy and usability... ans so - after fresh installation I am always removing program that I will never use. Software like pidgim, tomboy, etc. gets removed to not sit in the disk without purpose.
Issue is - if a user wants to remove them, whole mint-meta package need to be removed/broken. On top of that I am loosing other software that I would like to use.
Could that be changed in next Mint ? I don't dare to say fixed, as this is not a bug, but I hope I will be understood.
- What are your opinions ?
I included small poll for graphical representation of opinions.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
I actually figured out today that mint-meta-gnome-dvd is causing problems *IF* package is broken and than you try to use program from that package.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
birkopf wrote:Not a revolutionary idea but will help a lot.
Both of those packages carry a lot of useful software but some of us like total ergonomy and usability... ans so - after fresh installation I am always removing program that I will never use. Software like pidgim, tomboy, etc. gets removed to not sit in the disk without purpose.
Issue is - if a user wants to remove them, whole mint-meta package need to be removed/broken. On top of that I am loosing other software that I would like to use.
Could that be changed in next Mint ? I don't dare to say fixed, as this is not a bug, but I hope I will be understood.
- What are your opinions ?
I included small poll for graphical representation of opinions.
I agree with the chap i have often found myself trying to uninstall software that i don't or won't ever need only to find that i have to remove meta gnome or meta dvd it is a very logical solution to seperate them. It would also enhance usability ect ect.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Agree. However, it seems that after an update from the update manager, you would be able to uninstall programs without removing mint-meta-gnome and mint-meta-gnome-dvd. So if i am right, mint 12 should have programs that when uninstalled do not remove mint-meta-gnome or mint-meta-gnome-dvd.
As an extra point, Linux Mint 12 should prevent users from removing important software to prevent newbies from accidentally destroying their OS. There should also be an option to disable it for advanced users.
As an extra point, Linux Mint 12 should prevent users from removing important software to prevent newbies from accidentally destroying their OS. There should also be an option to disable it for advanced users.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Simple information like below will do just fine:wei2912 wrote: As an extra point, Linux Mint 12 should prevent users from removing important software to prevent newbies from accidentally destroying their OS. There should also be an option to disable it for advanced users.
"Removing those packages will make your system unstable... potentially even break.
Are you sure you know what are you doing ?
(Click) YES / NO"
Linux should be about free choice and flexibility
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Great idea. What we need is to let a member of the developing team to see this.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
All you need to do is remove mint-meta-gnome or mint-meta-gnome-dvd.
Am I missing something? It is only a 'meta-package' and contains no real data.
Am I missing something? It is only a 'meta-package' and contains no real data.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
He always has to spoil it just has we were getting startedproxima_centauri wrote:All you need to do is remove mint-meta-gnome or mint-meta-gnome-dvd.
Am I missing something? It is only a 'meta-package' and contains no real data.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
I am currently checking the description to check if it is safe to remove.proxima_centauri wrote:All you need to do is remove mint-meta-gnome or mint-meta-gnome-dvd.
Am I missing something? It is only a 'meta-package' and contains no real data.
EDIT: It is not safe to remove. Doing so will remove a lot of packages that you might want to keep.
2nd edit: Check below posts for update.
Descriptions:
<mint-meta-gnome>
Set of packages common to all Gnome-based editions of Linux Mint.
<mint-meta-gnome-dvd>
Set of packages included in the DVD edition of Linux Mint.
Last edited by wei2912 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
What packages will be removed with the meta-package?wei2912 wrote:EDIT: It is not safe to remove. Doing so will remove a lot of packages that you might want to keep.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
All which are part of mint-meta-gnome and mint-meta-gnome-dvd.proxima_centauri wrote:What packages will be removed with the meta-package?wei2912 wrote:EDIT: It is not safe to remove. Doing so will remove a lot of packages that you might want to keep.
For example (before the 1st upgrade you make on a newly installed Mint 11):
tomboy
giver
thunderbird
giver
vlc
As i have said earlier,
But i won't attempt to uninstall it. It might remove some programs with it even if those programs can be uninstalled without removing them.wei2912 wrote: it seems that after an update from the update manager, you would be able to uninstall programs without removing mint-meta-gnome and mint-meta-gnome-dvd.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Are these packages being explicitly shown for removal when you select mint-meta-gnome for removal?wei2912 wrote:For example (before the 1st upgrade you make on a newly installed Mint 11):
tomboy
giver
thunderbird
giver
vlc
It's my understanding that the meta packages contain the information to install a group of packages, but can be removed later on, without uninstalling those group of packages.
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
No, these programs when selected for removal uninstalls mint-meta-gnome.proxima_centauri wrote:Are these packages being explicitly shown for removal when you select mint-meta-gnome for removal?wei2912 wrote:For example (before the 1st upgrade you make on a newly installed Mint 11):
tomboy
giver
thunderbird
giver
vlc
It's my understanding that the meta packages contain the information to install a group of packages, but can be removed later on, without uninstalling those group of packages.
Will test out the 2nd one.
Edit: Removal is safe, thought they misnamed the package...
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
@birkopf
I think that when you install a new version of Linux Mint, you should update it first (update-manager, then the rest). Afterwards, you can safely uninstall programs.
(You might be able to do so without updating but i have not tested it.)
I think that when you install a new version of Linux Mint, you should update it first (update-manager, then the rest). Afterwards, you can safely uninstall programs.
(You might be able to do so without updating but i have not tested it.)
Re: Split mint-meta-gnome & mint-meta-gnome-dvd
Yes, since mint-meta-gnome depends on those packages, removing any one of them will remove the meta package. This is safe to d.