What happens when Gnome 3 appears in Debian Testing?

[bender]

Has Clem and the rest of the team decided how Mint will handle Gnome 3 once it makes it's way into Debian Testing? I know the "Latest" Repository can be used to hold it off, but you can only hold it off for so long.

Will the Mint Team develop a version of mintMenu that will work with Mutter and Gnome 3? Any thoughts of developing mintPanel, which will be similar to Gnome-panel, but will work on Mutter and Gnome 3. I would love to see Mint take a lead in developing a Desktop Environment that runs on top of Mutter and Gnome 3 and not rely on Gnome Shell at all. It will be an alternative to Gnome Shell, but will use the same technology stack (Gnome 3, Mutter etc).

I guess getting the Mint Tools to work off Gnome 3 Fallback mode would be an option, but Fallback mode seems like a half hearted attempt to port Gnome 2 components (Gnome-panel, Nautilus, Metacity etc) to Gnome 3. If the Gnome team can somehow backport the Aero Snap feature in Mutter to Fallback Mode, then I guess I can probably live with it.

[xenopeek]

Interesting questions, looking forward to thoughts on this. Will be installing LMDE after iso respin, so any thoughts on the future here are welcome.

Maybe this will cause a rift in the space-time continuum? Sorry, watched too much scifi as a kid

[Brian49]

At the moment, I don't see why any user who doesn't wish to move to Gnome 3 can't simply pin all the relevant packages for as long as they wish. I currently have 62 packages pinned from the Unstable and Experimental repositories. In other words, there is nothing inevitable about making that move.

[zerozero]

Brian, the way i see it, that is not doable in the long run (or not so long - let's talk about a couple months) gtk2 is simple being replaced by gtk3 (in a very slow way indeed) but there's no way back, unless you pick another DE; every day, every week, a new lib, a new pkg is ported to gtk3 in debian http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.0-status.html
the next debian stable will be most certainly gtk3 (shell or fallback-mode we will see)

As for LMDE, we can pin for awhile some libs, we can hold some pkgs, but at certain point it will be impossible to stop the flux;
at least this is my take on this

[Brian49]

zerozero - I see your point, but if I'm perfectly happy with my desktop the way it is, I don't have to accept any package upgrades related to Gnome 3, even if there are hundreds of them.

[jeffreyC]

I am also holding back on upgrading packages to gtk3, even though i run Xfce, Fluxbox and other window managers and not Gnome.
Currently gtk3 is really ugly, the theme looks like Raleigh, in other words no theme.
And there are few good themes anywhere, as one of the theme artists said, it will take a while.

[Roken]

I'm one of those enforced early adopter types, by which I mean I try not to force updates on myself (unless I have a very compelling reason), but I'll install those updates as soon as they hit Testing, and I guess I'll probably do the same with gtk3, gnome 3 etc. Having said that, I've invested a lot of time and effort into making my desktop something that I find aesthetically pleasing, and works the way I want it to, so I'll defer to my tried and trusted fallback of a full system backup before any major updates. If and when the updates come, I'll only be ten minutes away from putting things back exactly as they were, so I can experiment to my hearts content without any major headaches.

[Brian49]

It looks as though all the packages related to Gnome 3 have now been removed from the Unstable repository, which I am tracking. I had a couple of dozen such packages pinned because I prefer to stay with Gnome 2, but I've just unpinned them and the Gnome 3 versions no longer show up as available upgrades.

Edit: Apologies, it must have been a glitch on my system; the packages have reappeared as upgradable.

[thermodynamics4]

Interesting questions, looking forward to thoughts on this. Will be installing LMDE after iso respin, so any thoughts on the future here are welcome.

Maybe this will cause a rift in the space-time continuum? Sorry, watched too much scifi as a kid

hahaha! nice comment, I watch Sci-Fi too...

[wyrdoak]

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[viking777]

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Have you got some strange mixture of sources wyrdoak - the 3.0.3 kernel was not part of the update pack 3 that I installed yesterday. It gave me version 3.0.0-1. And I am talking about LMDE gnome rc tracking incoming. My system monitor doesn't look anything like yours either (although I suppose that might be a theme thing) but it definitely doesn't have any line indicating the desktop version (though all the other information is the same).

[wyrdoak]

The only thing that didn't come down the line was the Kernel I compiled it about 3weeks ago to take care of some hardware configurations (after a BIO's update)the 2.6.39 just didn't quit get right.

EDIT: The only thing I can think of that might have been different is I saw the update indicator in the panel and updated before I logged on and found Clem's warning about the source.list change.

[zerozero]

that's an interesting thing that: somewhere between the jul/30 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p455404 and maybe the Aug/06 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p457985 (tho here i don't know if Gene is running wheezy or sid), but definitely the Aug/25 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268&start=20#p464978 that info shows up in testing's sys-mon

[wyrdoak]

I got an update to the System Monitor updated on the 26th(Update Packet 2). I updated my Bio's after I re installed Win7 on my other partition because Acer was having problems with the battery charger with OS's other than WindowS. After the update the Power Manager every time I unplugged the Netbook I would tell me my battery was not fully charged on a full charge and try to shut down, also The System Profiler was not finding a battery at all.

After the Kernel upgrade everything seems to be working correctly now.

[viking777]

that's an interesting thing that: somewhere between the jul/30 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p455404 and maybe the Aug/06 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p457985 (tho here i don't know if Gene is running wheezy or sid), but definitely the Aug/25 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268&start=20#p464978 that info shows up in testing's sys-mon

Well I have both a testing and an incoming lmde now and that line about the DE doesn't appear in the System Monitor of either version. Maybe it is because I have two desktop environments installed on both versions and it can't decide which one is running - although it is not as if I can boot into both environments at once, so you think it would be able to detect which it is. Still it is of so little importance that this evenings beer won't be watered down with tears

[zerozero]

well, yeahh, just a slow afternoon i think
enjoy your pint

[wyrdoak]

Desktop seems to work the same as it always did. So I can still find my way around, even if I have one to many, Just don't tell the Internet Police if I'm drunk surfing.

[zerozero]

this wasn't yet the big jump to gtk3
i'm following the mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/ and it seems that, atm, everything is in hold, preparing the big transitions:
nautilus, gnome-panel and GNOME itself http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/ ... 00111.html
i believe we are in the calm before the storm

[GeneC]

that's an interesting thing that: somewhere between the jul/30 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p455404 and maybe the Aug/06 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268#p457985 (tho here i don't know if Gene is running wheezy or sid), but definitely the Aug/25 viewtopic.php?f=141&t=78268&start=20#p464978 that info shows up in testing's sys-mon

Hey "ZZ"

GOD only knows what I was running in that particulat setup. I change things so much.
I do believe that last setup was Testing with the Liquorix kernel.
(Which is NOW "SID" with Liquorix)

wyrdoak

I see we are using the same theme. (Minty-fied Atolm)
What is that Emerald theme you are using?
Its neat.

[wyrdoak]

No it Metacity Polaris Green window borders. I even made a png for my taskbar so it would match.


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