LMDE BREAKAGES - tracking TESTING

[jlsmith722]

My update today went smoothly, and after reboot I have had no problems with responsivenes.
But all of a sudden iI do Have 32 packages not upgraded. They appear to be all xserver related and were not heldback yesterday.

[jlsmith722]

I found a reference to this in the tracking sid thread.
[/url]http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=198&t=70230&start=240#p476808[url]
There are seveal posts but the key suggestion from zerozero was to edit [url]/etc/apt/preferences[/url] and set the pin-priority of Debian to 700, the same as the linuxmint repos.
Even though I am tracking testing, I tried this and it allowed all of my xserver.xorg packages that had been held back to update. I now have 0 not upgraded.
Thanks zz and GeneC

JIm

[zerozero]

i just hope you don't get the buggy xserver with this move

[GeneC]

I found a reference to this in the tracking sid thread.
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=198&t=70230&start=240#p476808
There are seveal posts but the key suggestion from zerozero was to edit /etc/apt/preferences and set the pin-priority of Debian to 700, the same as the linuxmint repos.
Even though I am tracking testing, I tried this and it allowed all of my xserver.xorg packages that had been held back to update. I now have 0 not upgraded.
Thanks zz and GeneC

JIm

I have been running this for three days on my SID installation with no problems at all.
I did it somewhat differently. I just commented out the Mint repo, refreshed and it let me update all 34? xorg packages.
Then, un-commented the Mint Repo again.
It went so well I just did the same to my "Testing" partition.
Again, all went just fine.

Credit goes to "DeepDayze". He is the one who first figured it out.
viewtopic.php?f=198&t=70230&start=240#p476707

[wyrdoak]

I don't know what happen with VLC, but anyway I was finally able to install ffmpeg, it removed VLC Then I reinstalled VLC, so no telling what was going on Wyrd Gremlins now I have nothing held back.

[zerozero]

Jim, Gene,
it looks like my feelings back in that topic were right
the workaround DeepDayze presented got me thinking there- why disabling the mint repo would enable the xorg stuff to install? there's no xorg-related pkgs in mint repos, the issue has to be somewhere else and when i saw Gene's screen with the error when he tried to force install xorg i was almost 100% sure that the culprit was the preferences file.

[GeneC]

Jim, Gene,
it looks like my feelings back in that topic were right
the workaround DeepDayze presented got me thinking there- why disabling the mint repo would enable the xorg stuff to install? there's no xorg-related pkgs in mint repos, the issue has to be somewhere else and when i saw Gene's screen with the error when he tried to force install xorg i was almost 100% sure that the culprit was the preferences file.

Curious stuff.
The xorg holdback in SID had lasted quite a while (one or two weeks?), before I decided to force the issue.
Makes me wonder just how long they would have been on hold?
I'm wondering if they will be on hold in testing as long. I guess time will tell.

[rtrev]

So, basically, the wisest move for someone using "latest" and who doesn't really have time to play at the moment would be to simply hold off on upgrading to "3" until the "All Clear" is given?

[zerozero]

rtrev, the all clear signal to latest was already given http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1836 and none of the issues discussed here in this topic are relevant to latest; that one is safe

[rtrev]

rtrev, the all clear signal to latest was already given http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1836 and none of the issues discussed here in this topic are relevant to latest; that one is safe

Ah! Thanks ZZ!! I'll get the hang of this yet.

[Gerd50]

a lot of xserver stuff kept back today:

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Paketaktualisierung (Upgrade) wird berechnet... Fertig
Die folgenden Pakete sind zurückgehalten worden:  (kept back)
  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-evdev
  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-apm
  xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips
  xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-geode
  xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-intel
  xserver-xorg-video-mach64 xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-openchrome
  xserver-xorg-video-r128 xserver-xorg-video-radeon
  xserver-xorg-video-rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3
  xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
  xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
  xserver-xorg-video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident
  xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware
  xserver-xorg-video-voodoo
Die folgenden Pakete werden aktualisiert (Upgrade):
  cron exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light gir1.2-freedesktop
  gir1.2-glib-2.0 libarchive1 libgirepository-1.0-1 libregexp-assemble-perl
  pavucontrol
11 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 35 nicht aktualisiert.

[viking777]

Jim, Gene,
it looks like my feelings back in that topic were right
the workaround DeepDayze presented got me thinking there- why disabling the mint repo would enable the xorg stuff to install? there's no xorg-related pkgs in mint repos, the issue has to be somewhere else and when i saw Gene's screen with the error when he tried to force install xorg i was almost 100% sure that the culprit was the preferences file.

I have totally lost the plot in this conversation.

Nothing in yesterday's upgrade was held back for me - nothing. The problem is, that when everything was installed, xorg didn't work properly any more, and I thought that was the gist of your opening statement on the problem zz?

So what is all this about stopping stuff from being held back? How does that help anything? For me this is what causes the problem Forcing the xorg packages to be held back is the only thing that works for me.

Can someone explain what I am missing here.

[zerozero]

sorry viking, we lost you, this was a follow-up from here;
in short, if you have your default preferences file (debian to 500, mint to 700), xorg is hold back (was in the the systems tracking sid as you can follow in the link above;
now, this is interesting, but doesn't in any shape or form solve our problem

[viking777]

sorry viking, we lost you, this was a follow-up from here;
in short, if you have your default preferences file (debian to 500, mint to 700), xorg is hold back (was in the the systems tracking sid as you can follow in the link above;
now, this is interesting, but doesn't in any shape or form solve our problem

Ok thanks for the explanation zz I am with you now.

[Chris M]

sorry viking, we lost you, this was a follow-up from here;
in short, if you have your default preferences file (debian to 500, mint to 700), xorg is hold back (was in the the systems tracking sid as you can follow in the link above;
now, this is interesting, but doesn't in any shape or form solve our problem

zz, I got the same xorg holdbacks, so I upped the default debian preferences to 700. I had no problem on my nouveau driver machine, except that after pushing the holdbacks through, my login now presents anti-alaised fonts (I use MS fonts with full alaising). But after I log in, I get my preferred alaised MS fonts.

Should I go back to debian 500? Is that set at 500 for this exact reason, and would the holdbacks eventually be "released" if I never switched to debian 700?

Sorry for the noobish questions. But I've been wondering about the whole holdbacks issue for a while. I recently pushed some through synaptic, and did not have a problem, but if they eventually get worked out, maybe keeping a debian 500 preferences is the way to go?

Thanks

[zerozero]

Chris, you might want to look in your apt/history.log and probably you will see that one of the pkgs that was updated when you upped the debian pin priority was libcairo, so basically you now lost the ubuntu patch that Clem ported to LMDE and have the default debian patch (yeahh it makes a difference);
what you can try is lower again the pin priority to the default 500 and try to force install in synaptic the patched libcairo (let's hope there won't be a dep. loop that stoops you from that)
good luck

[GeneC]

Chris, you might want to look in your apt/history.log and probably you will see that one of the pkgs that was updated when you upped the debian pin priority was libcairo, so basically you now lost the ubuntu patch that Clem ported to LMDE and have the default debian patch (yeahh it makes a difference);
what you can try is lower again the pin priority to the default 500 and try to force install in synaptic the patched libcairo (let's hope there won't be a dep. loop that stoops you from that)
good luck

Chris, "ZZ" and folks.

I made the mistake myself of updating the packages from Debian (after disabling the Mint repo) that messed up my fonts.
This was a deal breaker for me. As those nice fonts are improtant to me and my old eyes
My "fix" was to restore a recent clone, update just the "xorg" packages, and that worked fine. But I know all wont be so fortunate.

Out of curiosity I looked at Synaptic and the "libcairo" packages from the Mint repo are

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libcairo2           ver. 1.10.2-2ubuntu2
libcairo-gobject2   ver. 1.10.2-2ubuntu2


The packages from Debian are

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libcairo-pearl      ver. 1.071-1
libcairomm-1.0-1    ver. 1.10.0-1

All of the above are apparantly the "GOOD" libcairo font packages
In any event those are the one that I currently have installed, and the fonts are great, just like they had been in the past.
Perhaps this could be of help in fixing "FONTS GONE BAD"

[gotjazz]

hrm anyone using the open source radeon driver for legacy chips have problems with the yorg updates?
Kinda scared to update atm

[tdockery97]

hrm anyone using the open source radeon driver for legacy chips have problems with the yorg updates?
Kinda scared to update atm

I have the ATI Radeon HD4200 and have been using the provided open-source Gallium driver. Have had no video issues resulting from updates.

[viking777]

Just to add to what tdockery97 says, this 'unresponsive xorg' problem only affects Nvidia users. If you have intel or ati graphics you should be able to upgrade without problem.