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Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby cra1g321 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:33 pm

Thought i would give the Lisa RC a try out, wasn't sure whether this was the official RC or not but i thought i'll try it out anyway.

First impression -
First thing i noticed was the GRUB menu was the correct resolution :D i cant think of any other distro off the top of my head that actually used the correct resolution of my monitor for Grub (think chakra might of). I noticed there's no boot screen (mint logo with dots) not sure whether this is bug or just the way it is. Anyway then i arrived at the login screen which is LightDM which ubuntu 11.10 uses. Was glad to see that the LM guys have chosen this login screen rather than Gnome 3 because it looks more professional and cleaner.

I'm using the LiveCD 64bit so like i usually do, i waited for the welcome screen to load then clicked the 'Upgrade to dvd edition' to get the codecs and additional applications. But nothing seemed to load so i clicked the 'Add multimedia codecs' but still nothing happened. So that was disappointing but all i had to do is just go to the activities menu and launch the appropriate program from there.

When i first read that there would be a bottom panel and a additional menu i thought it would be a great idea, but personally after using it just seems a bit unnecessary having another menu. So i launched Advanced settings and just disabled the bottom menu extension. I kept the window list extension enabled because not having a window list in Gnome shell was one of the things i didnt like about Gnome 3.
Since i have it enabled it seems that the activities button is over in the far right of the shell panel, which means im able to click on it and launch the activities menu, but im also still able to hover over the far-left of the screen and view the activities menu like this instead. I would of preferred having the activities button on the left but its rather handy being able to view it from both sides of the desktop.

Likes -
I like the way the distro comes with gnome-tweak-tool which is renamed to 'Advanced settings' which i think is more of a fitting name to give it and will make it easier to explain on the forum to users how to change stuff.

I like the extensions that LM comes with, the only ones im not using are Monitor statusm menu extension, bottom panel the rest i have all enabled.

The LiveCD was really quick and loading and getting to the desktop compared to any other Gnome 3 distro i tried.

I like the theme overall, it's not my sort of theme, but it does work well i think for a default theme, Glad to see the LM guys didnt just leave everything in default look, like some other distros are doing.

Glad to see the fonts are supersized and are actually a decent size, u notice this especially with Gnome shell panel,
Also the icons look great as usual and arent massive either.

Dislikes

As i mentioned earlier, i dont like the bottom panel but this just a personal preference of mine. personally i think they should just have one panel with the activities menu, windows list etc like Linux Mint used to be.
But i understand that Gnome-Shell limits this from happening so im still glad that LM is meeting users in middle by still providing them with the bottom panel.

I dont like the font used for the window list with the default theme, it doesnt seem smooth or as easy to read compared to the font used for the text used for the gnome-shell.

I dont like the icon for the update manager, think it stick out a bit and doesnt really go that well with the gnome-shell.

Also noticed the icon used for the volume notifications is really blurry, think this must be a small icon being used hence why it's so blurry. here's a screenshot - Image

Issues
Welcome screen doesn't work

During the updates the Gnome shell and window borders disappeared :( was expecting them to reappear at end of updates maybe, but they didnt. Had to Ctrl-Alt-F1 then login as root then reboot the computer.

The theme for the cursor doesnt actually change. This bug has been around for good while, think since LM10 theres a guide on how to change it manually somewhere.

Overall
Overall im rather impressed by this RC. It's rather fast compared to when i tried out the Gnome 3 editions of Fedora 15 or Fedora 16. I think users who miss Gnome 2 will eventually feel at home with LM12 when it's released.
I really like the extensions being included and that fact that LM12 isnt just Gnome-shell with a Linux Mint wallpaper :lol:

I think if was to use Gnome 3 as my DE of choice, it would 100% be with Linux Mint 12, it definitely seems like the best distro that can convience Gnome 2 users to make the jump to Gnome 3.

Here's screenshots just to show how i chose to setup the desktop.

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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby tdockery97 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:17 am

Not being a big fan of gnome-shell, I agree with most of what you said. I think Clem has done an excellent job of making the default desktop appear customized and pleasing to look at. The other distros I've tried with Gnome 3 just seem to slap a wallpaper on it and leave it as a very generic Gnome Shell desktop. I am a big fan of the Classic Desktop (fallback mode), and I will use that as long as it is around. Since it looks like it will be in the next LTS, that means it will be there for a long time. As a matter of fact, if someone was to fork Gnome, I think they would do better to fork the more modern Gnome 3 classic desktop than the now outdated Gnome 2. Just my humble opinion.
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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby KBD47 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:08 am

Just curious, if the bottom panel is removed are you then running primarily in Gnome 3 Shell without the Mint extensions?
As mentioned elsewhere, the Classic Gnome log in ability could be an important feature for those who just want a simple desktop. I like MGSE but I could see it being a bit confusing to new users and those accustomed to Gnome 2. MGSE is something of a hybrid of Gnome Shell and Mintification :-)
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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby z06gal on Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:13 am

I disabled my bottom panel and installed the autohide extension for the top. I really like everything about Mint 12 so far.
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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby craig10x on Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:32 am

KBD47 wrote:Just curious, if the bottom panel is removed are you then running primarily in Gnome 3 Shell without the Mint extensions?
As mentioned elsewhere, the Classic Gnome log in ability could be an important feature for those who just want a simple desktop. I like MGSE but I could see it being a bit confusing to new users and those accustomed to Gnome 2. MGSE is something of a hybrid of Gnome Shell and Mintification :-)
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If you turn off just the bottom panel (and leave all other extensions on) and log out and back in again, you will find the the mint menu and windows list have moved up to the top panel and work from there instead of from the bottom...I'm just running it from the live session and was easily able to do that...

While i find this interesting, i think i will likely be staying with my ubuntu 11.10 install using the unity dock...i got use to it already and it''s not bad i find...and i don't really see a big advantage with this when i put everything on the upper panel...it's really doing the same stuff as in unity except on top instead of the side :wink:
And ubuntu has a look and polish about it...looks very professional and commercial... is very smooth and fast, beautiful application fonts, attractive splash screen, desktop background, etc...I know Clem did his best and appreciate his efforts, but this (to me) just doesn't look as nice as the old gnome 2 versions of mint main edition...

As far as using it with the top and bottom panels...not really...never liked having 2 panels, actually...
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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby KBD47 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:48 am

If you turn off just the bottom panel (and leave all other extensions on) and log out and back in again, you will find the the mint menu and windows list have moved up to the top panel and work from there instead of from the bottom...I'm just running it from the live session and was easily able to do that...

While i find this interesting, i think i will likely be staying with my ubuntu 11.10 install using the unity dock...i got use to it already and it''s not bad i find...and i don't really see a big advantage with this when i put everything on the upper panel...it's really doing the same stuff as in unity except on top instead of the side :wink:
And ubuntu has a look and polish about it...looks very professional and commercial... is very smooth and fast, beautiful application fonts, attractive splash screen, desktop background, etc...I know Clem did his best and appreciate his efforts, but this (to me) just doesn't look as nice as the old gnome 2 versions of mint main edition...

As far as using it with the top and bottom panels...not really...never liked having 2 panels, actually...[/quote]

Thank you very much! The only thing lost by doing that is workspaces, but to get a cleaner desktop and more desktop real estate it is worth it. I almost wonder why Clem doesn't use this as the default.
Regarding Unity, I used it for two months and concluded that it was usable for surfing the net, but when I started using it to do word processing, handling multiple files, multiple windows open--it just didn't work for me. I'm quite impressed with Mint 12 so far.
Thanks again!
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Re: Trying out Linux Mint RC

Postby craig10x on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:20 am

no problem :wink: glad to be of help...
yeah...i think it would have made a better default also...since at the present time, the panel on top can't be moved to the bottom,
so having it all on the top is the 2nd best solution :)
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