mint 12rc,choatic or not?

[podagee]

in less than a day i have installed mint 12 32bit dvd 7 times.this is due to constant crashing of things.try repairing but failure after failure.im beginning to dislike mint 12.thinking of rewinding back to mint 10 when i had no issues.i think that the mint team did a wonderful job,but,in my opinion,this distro is chaotic.i think the user should be able to install and remove gnome shell extensions.tried various ways and it doesnt show up.when installing icons,i get extra stuff,duplicates and triplets,of icons?i am very very displeased with this release so far.watching for the final release and it looks like a very slow progress.hopefully with this delay they address every issue.stability and customization is what brought me to linux and honestly im seeing things fall apart.if the final release crashes on me once,im out of linux already.need stability and as much as i hate windows,it is very very stable.so please mint team fix the failures thanks

[bimsebasse]

Gnome 3 and its desktop environment is developed and maintained by Gnome
The Linux kernel is developed and maintained by Linus Torvalds and crew.
Most of the packages come from Debian.
All this (minus Gnome DE) was turned into a working OS by Canonical.

On top of this then comes the Mint developers with (relatively) superficial changes. It's not all problems they're in control of or can do much about.

[podagee]

i know that but in previous versions of linux it seemed it was more stable than what it is now.thats all im saying.if need be im rewinding back to 10.i love the gnome 3 but as they say it is still young.ive noticed bugs in it and it aint only mint.every distro with gnome 3 has the bug.its a beautiful distro just with major headaches.hopefully the final will be sort of headache free

[podagee]

okay its operating fine except after doing the updates.it just logged out and back in on its own with an inactive desktop.had to log out and back in to get pass that.maybe if i stop customizing everything it will run smoother giving at another go.

[Pilosopong Tasyo]

i know that but in previous versions of linux it seemed it was more stable than what it is now.thats all im saying.

It's more stable because previous version of Mint were based on mature, stable technologies (IMSMR, it's in the blog, and common sense tells me that as well). Bear in mind that Mint 12 is a transition version from Gnome 2.x to 3.x. Expect it to be rough around the edges. The devs are doing the best they can, so cut them some slack.

if need be im rewinding back to 10.

Then reinstall the version you are comfortable with. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade to the "latest and greatest" (the latter being not necessarily true, though) just for the sake of it being "bleeding edge." I still use Mint 9, myself. It works for me for the time being and am not in a rush to upgrade anytime soon.

[podagee]

i like to be up to date with the releases.like gnome 3,i love it best de in my opinion.its just that i do a comparison to ubuntu11.10 with mint 12 since they are the same.gnome shell doesnt give me that much of a hard time like mint does.and as far as cutting the team slack,i thank the if you didnt see.so slow your roll guy.

[wayne128]

i like to be up to date with the releases.like gnome 3,i love it best de in my opinion.its just that i do a comparison to ubuntu11.10 with mint 12 since they are the same.gnome shell doesnt give me that much of a hard time like mint does.and as far as cutting the team slack,i thank the if you didnt see.so slow your roll guy.

consider play Debian Sid + some experimental

[Pilosopong Tasyo]

its just that i do a comparison to ubuntu11.10 with mint 12 since they are the same.gnome shell doesnt give me that much of a hard time like mint does.

You do realize that Ubuntu 11.10 uses Unity as default shell while Mint 12 uses Gnome Shell? They may be the same under the hood (Gnome 3.x), but on the surface, Ubuntu 11.10 doesn't use Gnome Shell.

[podagee]

whats with all the quoting?and i hope you do realize that you can also install gnome shell on ubuntu11.10.
its just that i have found it easier to customize than mint 12 dont wanna go back cause i dont like the purple screen thing even if its for a couple seconds

[Pilosopong Tasyo]

whats with all the quoting?

You mean you don't know this standard forum feature?

The forum quote feature makes it easier to distinguish between quoted text and new commentary - thus following the flow of conversation becomes easier.

[podagee]

i know what it is,but,everything im posting you guys are quoting.its a feature i rarely use.okay back to the main subject:
installed mint again and its running smoothly.no issues yet beside that its a taking a bit longer to boot up which is okay as long as my system is not crashing.

[podagee]

i have also managed to install firefox 8 successfully

[FreeImposter]

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Can we just chalk this up to a troll..?


Plllleeeeeaaaasseee???

[podagee]

what?

[Pilosopong Tasyo]

Can we just chalk this up to a troll..? Plllleeeeeaaaasseee???

LOLWUT?

Nah. I think the OP's just having a bad hairday and just needs to pop in some chill pills.

Now, AFA the the quoting "issue" is concerned, it's a feature that other people use (including myself, as you have already seen), and it's there for a GOOD REASON. Even if it's something you're not fond of using, it doesn't mean that others should follow your league.

"Live and let live," as they say. C'est la vie.

[podagee]

[quote=Nah. I think the OP's just having a bad day and just needs to chill a bit. .[/quote]

after 7 installs you'd think id be peachy?

[Pilosopong Tasyo]

after 7 installs you'd think id be peachy?

Well, looks like your 7th time is lucky.

Dude, I think it's time to walk away from the computer a tad and chillax.

[podagee]

not gonna happen id rather be on the computer messing with distros then doing what i like doing which is fighting.finding a different hobby.everything is running reall smooth now.i am at ease......for now

[ThistleWeb]

It seems you're expecting the impossible without realising it.All software is buggy and incomplete when first developed. It takes time, testing and improving to become stable and feature complete. In the closed source world you have whatever the developers choose to give you because they have to get something out on sale to start making money. In the FOSS world you have the choice. You can either have the very latest knowing it's buggy, incomplete etc or wait to have the better tested and more feature developed stable release. They are not the same thing. This is why distros like Debian have a Stable version; the packages are kinda old but they are meant to be stable and solid. Others like Fedora or Debian Sid got the opposite end of the spectrum and give you cool new features, the trade-off being it's not that well tested yet.

I don't like the latest stuff, that's why I don't use a distro based on that philosophy. I appreciate those who do, it's how I see those features months down the line when they are better tested. Choose your distro and versions of packages according to your preferences.

I note you state quite proudly that Ubuntu 11.10 has the Gnome Shell option. It does, it's just as buggy.

As others have pointed out, this is a transition time between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3, with others like Unity coming into the mix. It means not only the environments, but the applications themselves changing their toolkits. For a while, the Gnome tree will be messy, confused and buggy. It's a similar mess that KDE went through with the switch from 3.5 to 4. It takes a few releases to start to nail things down. In the meantime, some distros follow the bleeding edge, others hold out with older but stable technology, and some users switch platforms altogether.

The Mint team have held off from making the Unity / Gnome Shell decision until the dust settled more, saw that neither was a clear winner and tried to do something admirable and adventurous in mimicing the look of the traditional Gnome 2 desktop as much as possible with Gnome 3. Of course it's gonna be buggy right now. Even if Canonical or RedHat (companies with way more paid resources to devote to it) took the Mint approach, it'd still be buggy right now. It's also a RC release. Usually this means "something pretty close to final quality" with Mint. With Mint 12 and the vast amount of changes made, it appears not to be such high quality this time.

As others have also pointed out, there is no rush for people to upgrade every 6 months. There are LTS editions or even the rolling Debian based editions so you don't have to. If you value stability like I do, choose your distro accordingly. If you value the latest and greatest, expect that it's gonna break at times, and help the teams out by reporting bugs.

[podagee]

if you noticed my 2nd post i believe i do mention that the gnome 3 is buggy in a few distros.you say ubuntu is just as buggy as mint,and i disagree with that statement.that was the longest distro ive had on my computer without a reinstall due to crashes.it runs a bit smoother.and yes i do understand that it is just an rc,i was just stressing because of the reinstalls.everything is running fine as ive said in my previous post.