Sadly, I've moved away from Mint

[wyrdoak]

Maybe we should all go over to the Window$ forum and "Sadly" move away.

[thankyou]

Hey,

recently i just tried linux mint for the first time. at first it looked slick and promising, but mint 12 feels pretty laggy. too many lockups and sluggishness on a fresh install. im going to install ubuntu on this machine and see if there are any research-worthy differences to report.

[Reorx]

Mint 11 was the reason why I moved away from Ubuntu 11.04, but Mint 12 is the reason why I've now moved to Ubuntu 11.10. Mint is great and I preach the word, but the single panel and slick design of Mint 11 has been lost in Mint 12 for me. I have no hard feelings, but Mint 12 - to me - feels like it is trying to keep too many happy, especially those who resist change and yearn for them good 'ol Gnome 2 days. That is, Mint 12 feels a bit "all over the place" without a single focused direction, and has disappointed me a bit.

As a creative, I enjoy aesthetics, and Ubuntu 11.10 is heaps better than 11.04, and far quicker and more functional. And it feels like it is very focused and headed into its own Unity direction, despite a lot of angry and vocal users.

As a Mint fan, I'm going to hang around and see where Mint 13 goes, but for now, I'm sticking with Ubuntu again. (Thanks to choice.)

Vaya con Dios... Ain't freedom sweet?!?!?!

[craig10x]

Hey,

recently i just tried linux mint for the first time. at first it looked slick and promising, but mint 12 feels pretty laggy. too many lockups and sluggishness on a fresh install. im going to install ubuntu on this machine and see if there are any research-worthy differences to report.

would be interested in your feedback...they key thing i found about using unity on ubuntu is that you have to work with it for a while and get accustomed to it...since it's a bit different from the old way of doing things...of course, if you have spent any time using a mac, the adoption would probably be more immediate

by the way...for the record, i have been (and still am) a mint fan and have been using mint since version 9...mint 12 is the first one i didn't like...needs more polish..and hope it will get better in future editions so i can re-consider it again...I would have stayed with mint 11 in the meantime, but since trying and getting comfortable with ubuntu 11.10 and unity, i decided to stay with it for now as it is very smooth to use, polished and very attractive looking...

[lmintnewb]

bimsebasse, lol ... true, tooooo true. There are correct processes and procedures that must be followed afterall !!!

LMAO wyrdoak, M$ doesn't care, they'll just keep selling crapware to the gazillions of people who never heard of gnu/Linux. Though actually upon further reflection, really a dang good idea. Might show some windows users on the forums that they do have options and that such a wonderous thing as gnu/Linux and opensource do exist.

Reorx ... Yep agree with that. Gnu/Linux users definitely have choices, choices, more choices, then other choices, mixed in with yet more choices if they so choose ... lol.

Mainly just posted to comment about some of the funny posts other people at the forum made and give em a rejoiner. I personally don't like and have always had a bad feeling about canonical. Doesn't mean software over in buntuland cannot be made to run well for folks and definitely doesn't mean I dislike people who like ubuntu. We're all gnu/Linux users after all. Which only goes to show we have at least one thing in common ... Good taste in OS's.

[Aethyr]

Horayyy for drama! A man after my own heart in this thread.

Anyway, even for non-technical users, you don't have to go back to buntu and lose Mint goodness

Kilz, one of the first people who posted, has written a great tutorial on getting a gnome session with just a dock. Moreover, I myself am currently experimenting with a Mint Unity desktop (more out of curiosity than anything, unity is just one apt-get away anyway ), and I intend to make a thread with my results on that. Your choices are available to you in an even easier form than you might think ^_^

You don't have to use GNOME 3 - nobody should, it's the worst DE made by mankind (yes, worse than Unity and worse than Windows Aero etc.). Unity on Mint has been working great so far, much better than Gnome Sh** - er, Shell ofc. If you want, I can throw in some info, but you'll have to wait for my full thread on it as I'm swamped atm

[mzsade]

Ever so rarely there's a query regarding a Mint issue that even i can answer..by the time i gather my wits and frame a reply (out of an ardent desire to contribute to the community), the OP has already figured out an answer on his own or marked it as 'solved'. Don't know whether to be happy about it or sad so here you go, contradictory smileys..

[Kilz]

Not disputing anything. Merely chatting.

What purpose do you think it (chatting) serves?

More chatting. Discussion. Debate. No debate. More chatting. No chatting. Moderation. No moderation. Does it matter?

This is, if I'm correct, a general "chat" forum?

Because if you think this goodbye post matters, and that the voices on high are going to hear you, and beg and plead for you to stay, you are very mistaken. In fact I feel sorry for you if you do think that.Here is a page you might want to read, especially point 7.

[lmintnewb]

Forkjulle's stayyyyyy, pleaseeeee stayyyyyyy !??!?

Messing round, continue to be in a humorous mood today folks ... sowwie. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[craig10x]

you're ok Imintnewb too funny
Aethyr...that's been my observation about unity also...like it better then gnome 3 shell...though i suspect gnome 3 shell is improving with extensions...
I also suspect unity will also get even better and more flexible as it evolves (after all, it..like gnome 3 shell is fairly young at this point)...i think things will
eventually get sorted out and hopefully there will be less complainers

Must be interesting running unity on mint will be interested in your observations also...

[proxima_centauri]

you're ok imintnewb too funny
Aethyr...that's been my observation about unity also...like it better then gnome 3 shell...though i suspect gnome 3 shell is improving with extensions...
I also suspect unity will also get even better and more flexible as it evolves (after all, it..like gnome 3 shell is fairly young at this point)...i think things will
eventually get sorted out and hopefully there will be less complainers

Must be interesting running unity on mint will be interested in your observations also...

Actually craigx10, that's EXACTLY what I'm doing on my laptop. I figured I'd install it for sh1ts and giggles and see how Mint runs on it (I don't feel that Unity is the abomination that so many 'Nuxers say it is - Ubuntu 11.10 has a good amount going for it). It actually looks good and runs quite nicely over Mint. If I could change the Dash logo from the Ubuntu/Canonical logo to the Linux Mint logo, I'd be golden.

I think I might just turn some of the MGSE add-ons on my GNOME desktop and see how that runs for a while.

....dear god, I LOVE Linux!!!

[Aethyr]

you're ok imintnewb too funny
Aethyr...that's been my observation about unity also...like it better then gnome 3 shell...though i suspect gnome 3 shell is improving with extensions...
I also suspect unity will also get even better and more flexible as it evolves (after all, it..like gnome 3 shell is fairly young at this point)...i think things will
eventually get sorted out and hopefully there will be less complainers

Must be interesting running unity on mint will be interested in your observations also...

Actually craigx10, that's EXACTLY what I'm doing on my laptop. I figured I'd install it for sh1ts and giggles and see how Mint runs on it (I don't feel that Unity is the abomination that so many 'Nuxers say it is - Ubuntu 11.10 has a good amount going for it). It actually looks good and runs quite nicely over Mint. If I could change the Dash logo from the Ubuntu/Canonical logo to the Linux Mint logo, I'd be golden.

I think I might just turn some of the MGSE add-ons on my GNOME desktop and see how that runs for a while.

....dear god, I LOVE Linux!!!

So I'm not the only heretic in the Mint camp after all

Seriously, Unity runs incredibly smoothly on Mint, as expected. My only problems so far have been compiz-related, and admittedly, the fact that I'm on an ATI card probably isn't helping. Unity itself runs marvelously. Not to mention the fact that Mint theme > Ubuntu theme so it looks prettier than the Ubuntu vanilla one by far

[craig10x]

Nice...so you got Unity with Green instead of Orange
By the way, on Ubuntu, i use the light theme (i think it is called radiance) for a more mac-like look...
Now that i got use to it, i find i can really "fly around" on it...makes me shake my head when i read some of the complaints about it

[Evil-K]

So I'm not the only heretic in the Mint camp after all

Seriously, Unity runs incredibly smoothly on Mint, as expected. My only problems so far have been compiz-related, and admittedly, the fact that I'm on an ATI card probably isn't helping. Unity itself runs marvelously. Not to mention the fact that Mint theme > Ubuntu theme so it looks prettier than the Ubuntu vanilla one by far

I was born a heretic, my friend

And I completely agree that the Mint theme with Unity is quite striking and elegant.

[Evil-K]

Nice...so you got Unity with Green instead of Orange
By the way, on Ubuntu, i use the light theme (i think it is called radiance) for a more mac-like look...
Now that i got use to it, i find i can really "fly around" on it...makes me scratch my head when i read some of the complaints about it

The only thing I don't like is that it seems that there's no easy way to clear your file browsing history. I've tried the suggestions on AskUbuntu and none of them worked. The fact that it kept trying to install Empathy was the only reason I ditched Ubuntu for the last time (don't DARE tell me what programs I'm supposed to use) and Pidgin kept glitching out.

I WILL say that one of the common complaints about Unity - the waste of screen real estate - is absolute bunk. The moment you maximize a window, it takes up the entire screen - top, bottom, side to side. And it still has elements of being task oriented when the dock is used. I agree that, once one gets used to Unity, it's quite the nifty GUI .

[Forkjulle]

Because if you think this goodbye post matters, and that the voices on high are going to hear you, and beg and plead for you to stay, you are very mistaken. In fact I feel sorry for you if you do think that.Here is a page you might want to read, especially point 7.

Relax and stop being so serious. If you'd read my initial post, then you'd have seen that I wasn't saying goodbye. This thread is going exactly the way I'd hoped. (The Unity-in-Mint bit is interesting.)

[Aethyr]

The thing is, I tried Unity when it was a Gnome 2 Shell. And it wasn't near as good as it is now. It had hundreds of bugs and it just didn't fly for me. But Ubuntu is proving that Unity can be a good environment. It's much more of a "classical desktop" than Gnome Shell is, and therefore much easier to get used to. And once you get used to it... it's FAST, and it's a very polished environment. And one other thing I notice is that is it much lighter on resources as well; Unity eats up about half the RAM that Shell does on my testing VM. Even the "Menus on the top panel, trying to be a mac" thing is fine by me; It's reflexive and once you get used to it it's not a big hindrance. On the other hand, GNOME Shell is a hindrance in itself - its very existence is mutually exclusive with the possibility of getting anything done. The fact that Unity 3D runs compiz, which has always been my favorite WM because of its near unlimited usability tweaks and ease of customisation (with openbox being a close second just because... well just because; it's openbox, can't argue with it ) tilts the balance a long way towards Unity's favor for me.

In the words of my fellow heretic, GOD I love Linux. So much choice, not enough hardware.

[craig10x]

Yes...it looks like between the ubuntu developers and the gnome 3 developers that the gnome people should have listened to ubuntu more...
I think ubuntu is on the right track with this...and it is bound to get even better over the next year or two...in the meanwhile it's quite usable already and easy to work with...once you get USE to it...which is the "key factor" that i think some of the unity and gnome 3 haters seem to miss...

[ilovelinux]

Yes...it looks like between the ubuntu developers and the gnome 3 developers that the gnome people should have listened to ubuntu more...
I think ubuntu is on the right track with this...and it is bound to get even better over the next year or two...in the meanwhile it's quite usable already and easy to work with...once you get USE to it...which is the "key factor" that i think some of the unity and gnome 3 haters seem to miss...

Herein lies the issue, a lot of people don't have the time or resources to get used to it, especially when they rely heavily on their systems for work. Having to relearn an entirely new UI is time consuming, especially when it's a tablet/touchscreen UI on a desktop (will most likely end up being utter failure like back in the day when they failed putting desktop UI onto touchscreen devices).

[z06gal]

I am running gnome 3 and really like it. I installed unity just to see what it is about but when I logged in after logging out of gnome, it comes up a desktop with my cairo dock and a top panel. Where is the dock with the launchers? I'll admit I have not looked at anything much regarding unity so where is everything?