Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby truexfan81 on Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:58 pm

Thank you, thats better :D
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby kernel^klink on Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:39 pm

Hello everyone, I am new here. Just wanted to say great distro, I run Fedora usually though. However, when I want a Linux system up and running with as little hassle as possible I always choose Mint. I also recommend Linux Mint to everyone that inquires with me about trying Linux for the first time. Keep up the awesome work, you guys rock!

That aside, I wanted to talk about the Cinnamon DE, and I gotta say I think you guys hit the ball out of the park on this one. I just installed it on Fedora 16 in VirtualBox today and it really blew my mind. I started using XFCE as my DE as a result of Gnome-Shell, and don't even get me started on Ubuntu's Unity. Seems to me Gnome-Shell just requires too many clicks to get anything done, and I don't want to learn a bunch of new keyboard shortcuts. It's a common complaint about Gnome-Shell that is well known around the web.

I do have a suggestion for Cinnamon though. In the time I have spent with XFCE I have really grown fond of its right-click applications menu. If you were to implement that in Cinnamon and that beautiful applications menu could appear anywhere on the desktop by merely right-clicking on it... Well I'd probably have a technogasm in my shorts... lol. Just a thought, it may or may not fit in with your vision of where Cinnamon is going, still I just wanted to put the idea out there.

Will try to pop in on a regular basis and maybe help answer some questions on the forums here. I have been running Linux as my main OS since 2005 so I may be able to help some people.

ttyl,
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby pappfer on Sat Feb 04, 2012 7:08 am

pappfer wrote:As Audacious 3.2 now supports MPRIS, is there any plan adding support for it to the sound menu?

Any idea? :)
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby ch_123 on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:59 am

I've just been testing Cinnamon 1.2 under Arch. I'm one of those strange people who actually likes Gnome Shell, but I like testing out new stuff, and Cinnamon has some nice ideas. Two questions though -

1) Is there some way to make the search function on the menu more precise? I usually use the search function in Gnome Shell (as well as the ones in Windows 7 and OS X for the matter) as a quick way of starting an application using only the keyboard. To give an example - under Gnome Shell I can open the terminal by hitting Win-t-e-r-Return (I think even 't-e' may be sufficient). In Cinnamon, 't-e-r' brings up Caribou as the first result, and terminal is at the bottom. 't-e-r-m' brings up "Root Terminal", at which point I have to press the down arrow to select Terminal. I appreciate there was probably a design decision to make the search results more general, it makes the search process slower.

2) I noticed on screenshots from older versions of Cinnamon that the Gnome Shell overlay was still available, but in newer versions, it only displays the windows open on the current desktop. Is there any way to re-enable more features on the overlay?
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby cwwgateway on Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:27 pm

ch_123 wrote:I've just been testing Cinnamon 1.2 under Arch. I'm one of those strange people who actually likes Gnome Shell, but I like testing out new stuff, and Cinnamon has some nice ideas. Two questions though -

1) Is there some way to make the search function on the menu more precise? I usually use the search function in Gnome Shell (as well as the ones in Windows 7 and OS X for the matter) as a quick way of starting an application using only the keyboard. To give an example - under Gnome Shell I can open the terminal by hitting Win-t-e-r-Return (I think even 't-e' may be sufficient). In Cinnamon, 't-e-r' brings up Caribou as the first result, and terminal is at the bottom. 't-e-r-m' brings up "Root Terminal", at which point I have to press the down arrow to select Terminal. I appreciate there was probably a design decision to make the search results more general, it makes the search process slower.

2) I noticed on screenshots from older versions of Cinnamon that the Gnome Shell overlay was still available, but in newer versions, it only displays the windows open on the current desktop. Is there any way to re-enable more features on the overlay?

In answer to question 2, no, right now you can't use the gnome shell overlay. Clem, however, plans to have a horizontal workspace switcher. There was no applications section since the first cinnamon, and the search was removed very shortly after. The only section besides windows was themes, and that is now incorporated into cinnamon settings.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby ch_123 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:01 am

Thanks for the reply. It would be nice to see some customization of what is displayed in the overlay mode at some point in the future.
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby twodogs on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:49 pm

@ ch_123 question #1

I use a keyboard shortcut (Alt+T) and I don't think you can get any quicker than that.

I use the terminal alot and this just works!
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:08 pm

ch_123 wrote:1) Is there some way to make the search function on the menu more precise? I usually use the search function in Gnome Shell (as well as the ones in Windows 7 and OS X for the matter) as a quick way of starting an application using only the keyboard. To give an example - under Gnome Shell I can open the terminal by hitting Win-t-e-r-Return (I think even 't-e' may be sufficient). In Cinnamon, 't-e-r' brings up Caribou as the first result, and terminal is at the bottom. 't-e-r-m' brings up "Root Terminal", at which point I have to press the down arrow to select Terminal. I appreciate there was probably a design decision to make the search results more general, it makes the search process slower.


Not sure what you're asking here, how would the search function know that you want "Terminal" and not "Root terminal" or any other application filtered with t-e-r? On my machine the application search in Cinnamon and Gnome Shell are identical, brings up the same results in the same order (haven't investigated it methodically but at least I don't notice any difference between the two). If there is a difference it is in how Gnome Shell remembers your searches and puts search "favoruites" on top where the mint menu doesn't remember and filter search terms by search history.

The quickest way to open the terminal is Ctrl+alt+t by the way :)

ch_123 wrote:2) I noticed on screenshots from older versions of Cinnamon that the Gnome Shell overlay was still available, but in newer versions, it only displays the windows open on the current desktop. Is there any way to re-enable more features on the overlay?


Cinnamon (current git version, not 1.3.1) now has a separate workspace expo overlay conjured up with Ctrl+alt+up. I don't know why Cinnamon has two separate overlays, one showing windows in current workspace and one showing all workspaces - Gnome Shell's combining the two seems a better idea and easier to use (but maybe not for the average minter, I've found out I have little in common with the average minter!)
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby NimS on Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:57 am

ch_123 wrote:I've just been testing Cinnamon 1.2 under Arch. I'm one of those strange people who actually likes Gnome Shell, but I like testing out new stuff, and Cinnamon has some nice ideas. Two questions though -

1) Is there some way to make the search function on the menu more precise? I usually use the search function in Gnome Shell (as well as the ones in Windows 7 and OS X for the matter) as a quick way of starting an application using only the keyboard. To give an example - under Gnome Shell I can open the terminal by hitting Win-t-e-r-Return (I think even 't-e' may be sufficient). In Cinnamon, 't-e-r' brings up Caribou as the first result, and terminal is at the bottom. 't-e-r-m' brings up "Root Terminal", at which point I have to press the down arrow to select Terminal. I appreciate there was probably a design decision to make the search results more general, it makes the search process slower.


Gnome-do.

I came from osx and couldn't imagine living without quicksilver, so before I cam to the free world I checked if there was something similar. Fortunately there is:)

Gnome-Do is what you want!
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Mon Feb 27, 2012 2:05 am

Cinnamon's menu has the same basic functionality as Gnome-Do (semantic application launcher). So does Gnome Shell and Unity for that matter. Gnome-Do is only needed if you use the keyboard to launch everything and aren't happy with only being able to launch applications and main folders (Cinnamon), or only applications and main folders and recently used files and folders (Gnome Shell and Unity).
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby NimS on Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:42 am

bimsebasse wrote: Gnome-Do is only needed if you use the keyboard to launch everything and aren't happy with only being able to launch applications and main folders (Cinnamon), or only applications and main folders and recently used files and folders (Gnome Shell and Unity).


yup, that's me! Why click and type when you can just type?

tho I'm sure I could be shown how to do things just as easily without gnome-do... :D
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:19 am

No need for clicking

In both Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome Shell:

Super + f + i + r + enter

opens Firefox. It's actually quicker than Gnome-Do which as far as I remember is launched with two keys (space+shift or ctrl+shift) instead of just Super,
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:52 pm

The new workspace expo feature has now in the latest version from git replaced the overview and it works really well. Instead of windows and workspaces being separated like in Gnome Shell they're now in Cinnamon integrated in a very satisfying manner. I think everyone who thought the disappearance of workspaces from the overview a regression will will appreciate the new expo.

Once again well done Cinnamon dev team :)
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby lurkatron on Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:17 pm

bimsebasse wrote:No need for clicking

In both Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome Shell:

Super + f + i + r + enter

opens Firefox. It's actually quicker than Gnome-Do which as far as I remember is launched with two keys (space+shift or ctrl+shift) instead of just Super,


that doesent work here. nm, its not a feature id ever want anyway ;)
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby bimsebasse on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:53 am

If pressing the windows key doesn't open your menu there's something wrong with your Cinnamon install :)
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Kakao on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:51 am

When I take a screenshot with the Ubuntu default screenshot utility it just grabs the background. Can someone reproduce?
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby Bonsaii on Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:11 am

A big thank you to Clem and the team for Cinnamon!

After updating LMDE with UP4, I worked with Gnome3 for two days.
It isn't horrible, but bad enough.

All this useless, resource consuming "eye-candy"
cannot be switched off easily.

Two views, up to 4 tool-/side bars and nothing can be
customized quickly. The needed mouse movements
are way too long, and it requires more clicks for
basic tasks.

I want a well-organized, fast, responsive,
desktop and window manager without frills.

I want minimal mouse movements,
as few clicks as possible, and no waste of
screen real estate.

Cinnamon is exactly this.
I highly recommend it.

(KDE3 and Gnome2 were like this,
or could be customized easily and
quickly to be)

And to those eye candy developers:

Instead of programming jumping icons
apple style, desktop animations and
compiz waste to cover the wait for slow
programs, how about making programs
more responsive and quicker instead?
You know, solving the problem instead
of covering it up, while creating more
problems?

Again, thanks to the team developing
Cinnamon, YMMD!
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby rockhazard on Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:02 pm

Cinnamon is great. My only complaint is that in Expo mode, I don't see any button to add or delete workspaces, as shown in http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=182

I'm running dual monitors. Any ideas?
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby abnvolk on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:02 am

There is. Move your mouse to the upper right corner of the workspace. You should see an "x" button :D
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Re: Another DE option for Mint 12 - Cinnamon

Postby cwwgateway on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:47 am

rockhazard wrote:Cinnamon is great. My only complaint is that in Expo mode, I don't see any button to add or delete workspaces, as shown in http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?p=182

I'm running dual monitors. Any ideas?

Do you have a theme that's updated for Cinnamon 1.4 (basically when did you install your theme)?
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