Update pack 4, should I do it?

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Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:16 pm

I tried LM12 and hated gnome 3, how is every one getting around this, I am not a big fan of change?

Choices are mate, cinnamon, and 2 frozen.

Mate and Cinnamon, any screenshots?

2 Frozen, will that mean 0 updates?

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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby DrHu on Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:48 pm

I like GUI's to mostly get out of the way, and allow me to use the applications installed, make it easy to edit the desktop features and provide a GUI method of updating (good for package searching)
    Lxde or xfce don't cover all those bases, as they are more minimal.

I like lxde
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Frozen development: my guess it only means last edition available, and possibly a smaller flow of updates for bug fixes and some development clean-ups.
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:53 pm

How should my repositories list look if if I go with gnome2-frozen?

Here is how it looks now:

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deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian maverick contrib non-free
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby zerozero on Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:06 pm

according to the blog:
Last but not least, if you’re still not convinced by the alternatives you can freeze your LMDE system and avoid Update Pack 4 (thus keeping Update Pack 3 and Gnome 2), by pointing to the following repositories:

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen/multimedia testing main non-free

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1944
but take in consideration this comment
zerozero Says:
March 26th, 2012 at 4:00 pm

Clem,
- first thank you for this amazing masterpiece that is lmde (and is only getting better with time)

- second, my question(s) here, you introduce here the gnome2-frozen repos, as i understand it is a frozen UP3 so that users can keep gnome2 as long as they want or decide for options. what is the advantage of the gnome2-frozen repo over simple just not update? in other words, is any kind of maintenance/point updates scheduled (from within the gnome2-frozen) or some specific backports planed? and also is there any EOL planned?

sorry to many questions ;)

Edit by Clem: Hi Zerozero and many thanks for your help on testing UP4 (I love your feedback, it helped me a lot there). Gnome2-frozen is basically a copy of what latest is at the moment (aka Update Pack 3). There’s no advantage, it’s basically the same as not taking updates. There’s no backports or anything planned for it… Basically we’re moving Latest to UP4 but if it makes a few people happy it doesn’t cost us anything to make a backup copy of UP3. There’s no maintenance involved and no backports planned. We put a lot of work in MGSE, in supporting MATE and developing Cinnamon, and we held firm on LMDE until all of this was ready… this, gnome2-frozen, that’s just a little attention which doesn’t cost us any efforts and might make a difference to a few people. Eventually we’ll remove it (to claim back the pool it’s pointing to), but before doing so we’ll make an announcement, and explain how to make a copy of it (by then I doubt anyone will be interested, but again, you never know, some people might, and it doesn’t cost us anything to do it).
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:27 pm

zerozero wrote:according to the blog:
Last but not least, if you’re still not convinced by the alternatives you can freeze your LMDE system and avoid Update Pack 4 (thus keeping Update Pack 3 and Gnome 2), by pointing to the following repositories:

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb-src http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/gnome2-frozen/multimedia testing main non-free



That looks like almost no updates? I will have to give it a try with that list.

That brought my mintupdate list from 1300+ updates down to 13.
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby killer de bug on Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:24 am

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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:26 am

killer de bug wrote:Mate screenshot http://mate-desktop.org/
Cinnamon : http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/


So does cinnamon still use the blank desktop like gnome 3? I like to keep a few launchers and current projects right on my desktop.
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby killer de bug on Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:15 am

In the menu, right click on firefox give the opportunity to add to desktop ;)... if that's your question of course :D
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun May 13, 2012 11:02 am

So I finally did the update, and installed Mate. Things are looking pretty good.

So what is the list of repositories I should be now using?

Also, how do I go about reinstalling my AMD open source drivers for the ATI video? I am have some power management problems.

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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby zerozero on Sun May 13, 2012 12:45 pm

if you are using this viewtopic.php?f=185&t=99137&p=579068#p564310 that's fine (mate is in lmde's repos and pretty much well updated)

regarding your ati card im sorry, can't help you there :oops:
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun May 13, 2012 1:06 pm

zerozero wrote:if you are using this viewtopic.php?f=185&t=99137&p=579068#p564310 that's fine (mate is in lmde's repos and pretty much well updated)

regarding your ati card im sorry, can't help you there :oops:


OK, from the update pack info:

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 nVidia/ATI drivers

Update Pack 3 features the new 3.0 kernel. If you are experiencing issues with the new kernel, you might want to purge and reinstall your drivers. For instance, for the nvidia-glx driver:

apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx

then reboot...

apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx

then reboot again...


Here is what I have, I just need to know what to remove, then reinstall?
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sun May 13, 2012 2:02 pm

Had it in CLI memory. :oops:

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$ sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon

$ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati

$ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core

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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby cmost on Sun May 13, 2012 9:51 pm

Personally, I like Cinnamon! It's very usable and looks nice without being a drastic change from Gnome 2. I anticipate that Cinnamon will eventually become the premier desktop environment for distributions far and wide! Give it a shot! :D
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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby rdonnelly on Sat May 26, 2012 10:03 am

Well I tried them all I thing, Cinnamon, Mate. I have given Gnome 3 some time and with Gnome extensions I have found it to be very useable and stable.

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Re: Update pack 4, should I do it?

Postby nextdistroplease on Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:03 am

If I installed LMDE last week, do I already have Update Pack 4?

I visited the mirrors listed on the other thread: there's a directory for indices, docs, etc.

I wouldn't know what to download from there. How could I?

Is there a thread that explains what we should download from there?

E.g. "When you get to the mirror, follow this directory to that directory to these files and etc etc."

I'm tracking unstable and experimental, if that makes any difference.

Or is this only a "gnome thing"? I'm using the XFCE version w/ Openbox
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