GeneC wrote:Not a fix for update manager (I personally don't like it, never use it).
But a better alternative.
Use Synaptic to do all update/upgrades. It wont notify you automatically, but always works.
The problem is that Mint chooses to disable "Mark All Upgrades" in synaptic (Or they did. I am on LMDE, not Main vers. ie. 12, 13, et).
To fix Synaptic to show "Mark all Upgrades" see this fix, by our friend 'Roken'
Mark all Upgrades
squeezy wrote:I can't explain your LM13 phenomenon, but in LMDE it's not unusal to have no updates for a long time. If you're running against the Mint repos LMDE updates are distributed via Update Packs. You get a big update when the new UP is released but between them the repo is basically static.
Trapper wrote:I did the "fix" you linked to but had absolutely nil results. No "Mark All Upgrades" button after creating the "/etc/linuxmint/adjustments/10-mintsystem-synaptic.preserve" I went so far as even removing the /etc/linuxmint/adjustments/10-mintsystem-synaptic.overwrite" file but that does not even work.
GeneC wrote:Hi Trapper
Yes, a workaround not a fix (dont hold your breath for a fix, its a long known issue.)
That said, if you right click 'refresh' the mint update icon, it should update the database
I edited my post above to point to re-installing synaptic itself first.
(Its stated in the fix link but easy to overlook.).
- on a more general note, mintupdate is not a notifier, it's not that the primary function of the tool, if you are so *worried* about timely notifications and updates you know how and can check them manually
rlindsey0 wrote:<<<<----snipped---->>>> Of course I can work around it by checking manually, but why should I have to when I never did before? it's not the end of the world of course, just a minor annoyance. Still, I'd like to know what's causing it and how to fix it. I wonder if it has to do with Gnome 3 somehow?
Trapper wrote:I am also aware that when I install LMDE on a box that there are updates available immediately. They are updates to firefox and thunderbird. Those updates will never happen though unless I manually run the update manager. Otherwise, all I will ever see is the deceiving green, check marked shield that's indicating I am up to date, even though I am not.
Clem wrote:What's important to realise here, is that mintUpdate isn't designed to "alert" you in "real time". It's not a server admin tool to keep your box up to date "the minute" something is released in the repositories. Its primary function is to make it easy for people to upgrade and to prevent novice users from upgrading sensitive parts of their system (via the level system).
Note however, that if you wanted mintUpdate to find updates and alert you in real time, all you'd have to do is to create a cron job that regularly calls "apt update". This would refresh the cache for you in the background and mintUpdate would then be able to find new updates, whether it's in root mode or user mode.
Clem wrote:It's a nice workaround for people like you who value timing and want to be notified as soon as something becomes available. The problem with this is that it locks your APT cache often in root mode... and this is the reason why this cronjob isn't set in Linux Mint by default. There's a trade-off here, and to us it's not worth setting this up by default.
Clem wrote:As far as I know it relies on aptd.... which is extremely unstable, poorly documented, changes a lot from release to release and extremely tied with Ubuntu itself (<-- this is my personal opinion of course). We're using it in the Software Manager, and although, to you, things seem to work fine, it's a constant struggle for us to maintain release after release. What we could do, is a best effort option... i.e. a loose-couple between mintupdate and aptd... if it works then you gain better notifications, if it doesn't it just discreetly logs it and you're not affected by the failure. Just thinking loud here...
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