sackofspuds wrote:jjaythomas wrote:I'm unclear..
for now I'll just use my laptop rather than mess about with desktops and windows managers.

What is on your laptop now??
J.Jay
Yes, I take your point. I am of course using a desktop manager now, Gnome 3. What I meant was that I just went with what came with Update Pack 4.
sackofspuds, if you were using the Gnome version of LMDE it automatically updated to Gnome 3. Anyone doing a fresh install of LMDE would actually have to manually add Gnome 3 going forward, but since you had the system installed this is what happened via default in Update Pack 4.
Adding Cinnamon and/or MATE is actually very easy to do. You can read all of the info in detail in the Linux Mint blog post that announced update pack 4 here,
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1949. If you want to simply add one or more of the desktops you can install them via the terminal (or synaptic if you prefer).
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sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install cinnamon
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sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment
If you want to see how these environments function beforehand you can always download the most recent LMDE ISO image (Cinnamon/MATE version) to see if you like them (Live CD or Virtual Machine). Mint 13 Maya also has a MATE and Cinnamon version available if you'd rather test them out in the Ubuntu based Mint. MATE has the look and feel that Gnome 2 had prior in LMDE Update Pack 3, with some changes to program names, etc. Cinnamon is a fork of the Gnome 3 shell that makes things easier to navigate if you are more used the Gnome 2 environment. If you're not having any issues with running Gnome 3 performance-wise, then Cinnamon should run just fine and it should be faster to install than MATE package/time-wise. I enjoy both of these new desktop environments, but I'm currently using XFCE myself.
If you decide to stay with Gnome 3, you might check out some of the shell extensions that are available with your current version at
https://extensions.gnome.org/. I've used these to help streamline the Gnome 3 experience in the past.
Hope you enjoy Update Pack 4.