LMDE is really hard to love
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LMDE 2 has reached end of support as of 1-1-2019
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Re: LMDE is really hard to love
After checking out Maya (Mint 13), it's really polished and you can tell where Mint's priorites lie. All their resources are on the main edition and LMDE is just an afterthought. There's not even any mention of there being a LMDE IRC channel.
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
That was said since the beginning of the Debian Edition, so... No big surprise here. It's working fine, an UP5 is coming... why are people so angry ?telenux wrote: All their resources are on the main edition and LMDE is just an afterthought. There's not even any mention of there being a LMDE IRC channel.
And there is a LMDE IRC channel. Its name is Linuxmint-debian...
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
Well, it's probably because it's easier to polish something based on Ubuntu than something based on a frozen Debian Testing snapshot.telenux wrote:After checking out Maya (Mint 13), it's really polished and you can tell where Mint's priorites lie.
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
I think there is a lot of frustration over LMDE because it hasn't lived up to expectations, perhaps some unreasonable expectations. But in all fairness, Debian itself requires more of users, it doesn't come with codecs, flash, or an easy installer. LMDE makes Debian more user friendly.
My personal issues with LMDE have been regarding the update process. You can stay with Latest sources and be frozen in limbo, perhaps with a solid spin, perhaps with a buggy one, without updates for months. You can roll the dice with Testing sources and likely break things in LMDE which I've done with more than one install. Or you can go with Sid/Unstable and get a true rolling release.
My present approach to LMDE is to quit trying to hold the Mint tweaks and desktops together and use the LMDE installer and codecs to get back to the Debian mothership. I use a 'pure' desktop, installing another desktop onto LMDE and either removing or ignoring the default LMDE desktop with its themes and tweaks. I either use a LMDE spin released close to the current Stable and set to Squeeze sources, or more lately use the recent LMDE spins and frozen Wheezy sources to setup the upcoming New Stable. I expect my next experiment will be to go with pure Sid sources.
LMDE is a great way to learn about Debian. It can be a nice introduction to Debian, but it is not Main Mint and never will be. Would I do things the way they are currently being done with LMDE? No. I would do two releases, one LMDE Stable, one LMDE Sid both with default desktops in the Debian repositories like KDE so there would be less chance of breaking. I would use a minimal of Mint tweaks and branding that would be unlikely to get removed or broken with Debian updates. But it's not my call.
My personal issues with LMDE have been regarding the update process. You can stay with Latest sources and be frozen in limbo, perhaps with a solid spin, perhaps with a buggy one, without updates for months. You can roll the dice with Testing sources and likely break things in LMDE which I've done with more than one install. Or you can go with Sid/Unstable and get a true rolling release.
My present approach to LMDE is to quit trying to hold the Mint tweaks and desktops together and use the LMDE installer and codecs to get back to the Debian mothership. I use a 'pure' desktop, installing another desktop onto LMDE and either removing or ignoring the default LMDE desktop with its themes and tweaks. I either use a LMDE spin released close to the current Stable and set to Squeeze sources, or more lately use the recent LMDE spins and frozen Wheezy sources to setup the upcoming New Stable. I expect my next experiment will be to go with pure Sid sources.
LMDE is a great way to learn about Debian. It can be a nice introduction to Debian, but it is not Main Mint and never will be. Would I do things the way they are currently being done with LMDE? No. I would do two releases, one LMDE Stable, one LMDE Sid both with default desktops in the Debian repositories like KDE so there would be less chance of breaking. I would use a minimal of Mint tweaks and branding that would be unlikely to get removed or broken with Debian updates. But it's not my call.
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
One thing that would help, and has been pointed out previously, would be to update the documentation. Many people see the original blurb on the LMDE page about regular updates and get confused since that is no longer the case. Explaining the UP system up front and consistently would help.KBD47 wrote:My personal issues with LMDE have been regarding the update process. You can stay with Latest sources and be frozen in limbo, perhaps with a solid spin, perhaps with a buggy one, without updates for months.
That is how I make my LMDE installs. I start with a clean console-only install of Debian then add the few essential Mint packages that add branding, usually debian-system-adjustments, mintsystem and some artwork/themeing. From there on out the rest is pure Debian straight from the repos.KBD47 wrote:I would do two releases, one LMDE Stable, one LMDE Sid both with default desktops in the Debian repositories like KDE so there would be less chance of breaking. I would use a minimal of Mint tweaks and branding that would be unlikely to get removed or broken with Debian updates. But it's not my call.
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
Everything was clearly said since the beginning...
And
http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1467We’re not “switching base”, we’ll continue to use Ubuntu on most of our systems. This Debian-based project will produce an additional system (to start with), it’s something we want to try, and if it proves successful, it’s something we’ll continue to maintain.
And
So, maybe people who want something changing faster should use... Debian.I’d like everyone to be patient with this project. A lot of things are happening indeed, but as I said before, the other editions take priority over this and until it gets the release and success it certainly deserves, we’re still considering it an R&D project.
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
Ouuuuppppsssssssssss Firefox and Thunderbird... are upgraded....
Where are the angry people ?
Where are the angry people ?
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
Where do you get Pack 5 ?
Oh, i suppose it'll show up soon.
Don't like the Chrome tabs on Thunderbird 15...
Oh, i suppose it'll show up soon.
Don't like the Chrome tabs on Thunderbird 15...
Re: LMDE is really hard to love
Details here...http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.p ... 7&t=109005DaComboMan wrote:Where do you get Pack 5 ?