Update Pack 5 release date? [Released Sept 17, 2012]

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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby widget on Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:24 am

It is easy to tell that there are no Debian testing users on this thread.

My production OS is Debian testing. I have, for nearly 2 months, had the entire xorg stack pinned. Why? it breaks fglrx-driver and my crappy card needs it to work. The xorg stack in Sid works with my card even if it is missing fglrx.

There are things that will not work there without the driver but on the whole the system works.

LMDE has to put this stuff out when it is stable on the vast majority of hardware. These things are not up to them. This is a case of having to wait for Debian.

As far as FF is concerned you don't get timely upgrades from them for security issues. This is why Debian uses Iceweasel. Debian maintains it and upgrades more often than FF wants to do it. You can also add the FF repo and get upgrades from them when they are available.

Debian testing and the packages on it are in advance of most Linux releases. It is also more stable than most releases.

For those that are nervous I would suggest doing a dual or multi boot (if you have some crap like MS on your poor box) with Debian testing. It may work fine on your hardware. It does on most that don't use ATI cards and some that do use ATI. Like I said I have a very poor card.

LMDE by the way works on my box just fine with the generic drivers. I am impressed.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Sonsum on Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:45 am

I use Debian testing and honestly, I get tired of having multiple new updates every day. Once wheezy goes stable, I plan on converting that one too to LMDE and getting my updates in UPs from now on.

It's easy enough to get packages from upstream when I want them.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby widget on Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:26 am

Sonsum wrote:I use Debian testing and honestly, I get tired of having multiple new updates every day. Once wheezy goes stable, I plan on converting that one too to LMDE and getting my updates in UPs from now on.

It's easy enough to get packages from upstream when I want them.

Glad to hear it.

I prefer Debian testing for myself. I recommend LMDE to noobs.

I like the way testing works. I can easily understand folks not liking it. Years of running Ubuntu dev releases as my production OS (don't try this at home unless you are willing to fix some serious breakage) has made Debian testing seem pretty damned stable and the update/upgrade cycles pretty mild most of the time.

For someone new to Linux, or just not entertained by constant upgrades, it would be daunting or, at least, suck in a major way.

LMDE does an excellent job of taming the instability of Debian testing. A fantastic job. Makes it boring to me.

Have to run and download a new image of LMDE Xfce 32bit (I only use 64) for installation on a new linux users laptop. This is not going to be a dual boot even. Will have to have wine installed for MS Office 2010.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby roger64 on Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:05 pm

You'll be welcome among us, dear UP5. "Long time no see" any member of your elusive family. But...
- shall we get the new Cinnamon 1.5 with it? I would like. :D
- shall we get the latest Firefox (hard to get for 64 bits users). I would like. :D
- shall we get the new Nautilus? Oh! no please... :evil:
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby killer de bug on Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:43 pm

Firefox 64 bits was released 2 days ago...
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Amanas on Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:06 pm

roger64 wrote:shall we get the new Nautilus? Oh! no please... :evil:


Nautilus 3.5.* is not in Wheezy, so no.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby roger64 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:58 am

This morning, I've got the tail of UP4. :D
Firefox 14 was here.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Monsta on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:22 am

Well... technically, Firefox isn't a part of any Update Packs. The same is for Thunderbird and various Mint tools.
They are in a separate Mint repo which may get updates independently of the Latest repos. You can see its contents here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby roger64 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:38 am

Monsta wrote:Well... technically, Firefox isn't a part of any Update Packs. The same is for Thunderbird and various Mint tools.
They are in a separate Mint repo which may get updates independently of the Latest repos. You can see its contents here: http://packages.linuxmint.com/list.php?release=Debian


Don't know: here are my repositories and infos about UP reports that this is still UP4 Latest... :D

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Monsta on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:56 am

And how does this contradict my post above?
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby roger64 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:46 am

And where did I say that it contradicted your post above? :D
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby zerozero on Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:28 pm

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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby vrkalak on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:33 pm

LMDE Update Pack 5 repros are available for editing/adding to your sources.list now. (July 31, 2012)

Sources:

deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import incoming
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/multimedia testing main non-free

NOTE THE PRESENCE OF "incoming" at the end of "deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import", it's new and very important!!
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date? [Released Sept 17, 2012]

Postby squeezy on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:54 pm

Shoot, and I just did a Sid install. Thought I'd have a few days to play with it :lol:

BTW, you can install Cinnamon on Sid with the additional incoming branch added to the packages.linuxmint.com repo. The Mint preferences file even works, no problems updating or installing GNOME Shell with it in place.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby zerozero on Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:02 pm

my UP5 install is finished :D smooth as butter
getting ready to UP5
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zerozero:~$ inxi -FGxr
System:    Host: zerozero Kernel: 3.2.0-2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.6.3)
           Desktop: Gnome  (Gtk 3.2.3) Distro: Linux Mint Debian Edition
Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: G41MT-D3 version: x.x Bios: Award version: F1 date: 05/04/2010
CPU:       Dual core Pentium CPU E5400 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 10800.7
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1200.00 MHz 2: 1200.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: nVidia G92 [GeForce GTS 250] bus-ID: 01:00.0 X.Org: 1.11.4 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1440x900@50.0hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 250/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 295.20 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: 1.0.24
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 ver: 2.3LK-NAPI port: de00 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 1c:6f:65:31:c5:55
           Card-2: NetGear WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] driver: ath9k_htc usb-ID: 0846:9030
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: e0:46:9a:17:1d:b6
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST3500418AS size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID: / size: 37G used: 11G (30%) fs: ext4
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 37.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 0.0:48C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 1430 fan-2: 0
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import incoming
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/multimedia testing main non-free
Info:      Processes: 147 Uptime: 15 min Memory: 1020.2/3965.1MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.6.3 Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.10
 

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zerozero:~$ inxi -FGxr
System:    Host: zerozero Kernel: 3.2.0-3-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.6.3)
           Desktop: Gnome  (Gtk 3.4.2) Distro: Linux Mint Debian Edition
Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: G41MT-D3 version: x.x Bios: Award version: F1 date: 05/04/2010
CPU:       Dual core Pentium CPU E5400 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 10799.3
           Clock Speeds: 1: 1600.00 MHz 2: 2000.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA G92 [GeForce GTS 250] bus-ID: 01:00.0 X.Org: 1.12.1.902 driver: nvidia Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTS 250/PCIe/SSE2 GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 302.17 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card: Intel N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: 1.0.24
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
           driver: r8169 ver: 2.3LK-NAPI port: de00 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: down mac: 1c:6f:65:31:c5:55
           Card-2: NetGear WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] driver: ath9k_htc usb-ID: 0846:9030
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: e0:46:9a:17:1d:b6
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (-) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST3500418AS size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID: / size: 37G used: 12G (34%) fs: ext4
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 40.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 0.0:50C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 1477 fan-2: 0
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list
           deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import incoming
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming testing main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
           deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/incoming/multimedia testing main non-free
Info:      Processes: 127 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 374.7/3965.0MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.7.1 Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.10

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zerozero:~$ apt policy cinnamon
cinnamon:
  Installed: 1.4.0-lmde2UP3
  Candidate: 1.4.0-lmde2UP3
  Version table:
 *** 1.4.0-lmde2UP3 0
        700 http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/incoming amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     1.4.0-lmde1 0
        700 http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian/main amd64 Packages
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Monsta on Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:12 pm

zerozero wrote:here now UP5 hits Incoming :D

Cool 8) So did I guess right (here)? Are there two different Incoming's now? :)

I have a question about the new libcairo2 and fontconfig stuff... where are they from this time? I see there's no "ubuntu" word in the package names. Were they taken from Debian Testing and patched afterwards?
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby squeezy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:01 am

Monsta wrote:
zerozero wrote:here now UP5 hits Incoming :D

Cool 8) So did I guess right (here)? Are there two different Incoming's now? :)

I have a question about the new libcairo2 and fontconfig stuff... where are they from this time? I see there's no "ubuntu" word in the package names. Were they taken from Debian Testing and patched afterwards?


GeneC reported a font problem in the UP5 feedback thread so I don't believe they were patched.

viewtopic.php?f=187&t=109005

I think clem would have put his own versioning on them if they had been. I think they were pulled from Sid and put in the new Incoming branch so they would override the version available in wheezy.
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby Monsta on Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:42 am

squeezy wrote:GeneC reported a font problem in the UP5 feedback thread so I don't believe they were patched.

He said it was an expected problem in Chrome/Chromium... other apps and the desktop weren't affected.
If nothing is patched, it means something has improved in Debian versions of these packages :)

squeezy wrote:I think they were pulled from Sid and put in the new Incoming branch so they would override the version available in wheezy.

I looked at the versions... well, at least the fontconfig stuff seems to come from Testing.

libcairo2 query
fontconfig query
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby squeezy on Wed Aug 01, 2012 1:01 am

Monsta wrote:I looked at the versions... well, at least the fontconfig stuff seems to come from Testing.

libcairo2 query
fontconfig query


Yep, you're right. I was simply speculating, should have checked the facts before posting. I really don't know what they're up to with the new Incoming branch :?:
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Re: Update Pack 5 release date?

Postby zerozero on Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:48 pm

squeezy wrote:I really don't know what they're up to with the new Incoming branch :?:

:lol: intriguing :?:
apparently nothing special, was just more convenient (afaik) to use this branch to build the newest pkgs against testing.
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