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what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby bmike1 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:38 pm

I know that Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu which is a derivative of debian. so is debian edition a deerivative of debian?
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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby widget on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:03 am

bmike1 wrote:I know that Mint is a derivative of Ubuntu which is a derivative of debian. so is debian edition a deerivative of debian?

You are correct that LM is a respin of a respin, a rather silly thing to do.

LMDE is simply a respin of Debian testing as is an Ubuntu LTS version such as 12.04.

What each of these try to do is give the user a more stable version of Debian testing.

LMDE does this by filtering the be packages in the Debian testing repo so that you get a "snapshot" of Debian testing with packages that are all in a stable condition at that moment in time. Those packages are put in a repository maintained by the fine folks managing LMDE.

They use "Update Pack" to move you to the next "snapshot". This is, to me, a much better system than the one used by Ubuntu which I tested and used their dev releases (basically the next Ubuntu which right now would be 13.04) as my production OS. I know how they build their OS and it has its points.

LMDE uses the Debian packages straight up, as produced by Debian. They do not change the file system from the Debian version of the Linux file system. You can safely use Debian packages in LMDE although they will probably make your system less stable. You can change your /etc/sources.list to use the Debian repos if you wish which a number of folks on this forum do.

Ubuntu for some reason changes where files in some .debs are installed from where Debian installs those files. Debian packages, therefore are not really safe to use in Ubuntu. They also use packages in building the next release that have not actually made it to the Debian testing repo but will probably make it before release. This means that they are not stable when put in the Ubuntu repos and may not be when the version of Ubuntu is released. This is why you will be advised by many experienced Ubuntu users on the Ubuntu forums to not install any release for at least a month after it is released by Ubuntu so as to be more assured of a stable OS.

LMDE will always be a bit behind where Ubuntu is but will be ahead of where Debian stable is (at least most of the time - Debian Wheezy is close to becoming the new stable and may be ahead of where LMDE is for a couple months - not sure about that but looking forward to finding out).

The fact that you are using Debian packages and can grab packages (with the attendent risk of instability) from the Sid (Debian unstable) or Debian experimental (really unstable) repos means you do not have to depend on someone to rewrite the Debian packages to fit Ubuntus file system and put it in a ppa for your use. This introduces another layer of package manipulation that increases the chance of an unstable package due to a simple typo in the install script and complicates your sources.list and third party packages (packages from ppas for instance) are a major cause of failed version upgrades.

This means that LMDE will be ahead of the Ubuntu LTS all the time except right at the release of the LTS and fairly close to the "regular" releases of Ubuntu too.

So you will have a system that while not quite up to the version numbers of all packages will be pretty close while being more stable and reliable.

I am sure that there are folks, even here, that will disagree with my assessment. I know there are fanboys on the Ubuntu forums that would turn purple at the suggestion that Ubuntu may not be reliable.

I do not use LMDE as my production OS even. I use either Debian testing or Sid. Right now I know that Debian Sid is more stable than Ubuntu. My wife uses Ubuntu that I maintain and so does my Dreaded Mother in Law. Both will soon be using LMDE or Debian 7 (Wheezy when released) as I trust those to be stable compared to Ubuntu.

I do recommend LMDE for noobs which most folks here will not. I installed LMDE on my bosses personal computer. She had never even heard of Linux. Loves the reliablility of LMDE.

You will get a better idea of what kind of nut cases use LMDE by checking on this portion of these forums;
viewforum.php?f=201

Pretty good folks.
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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby bmike1 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:21 am

how about this:
I have a Nikon and the raw image files don't preview. I tried increasing the file size it would preview and that worked initially but it stopped working for some reason upon a refresh (if I remember correctly). DO you think LMDE would enable the preview to work? (the file is an NEF)
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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby widget on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:21 pm

I use the package "ufraw". Description from synaptic;
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This is a standalone tool to import raw data from high-end digital cameras.

The Unidentified Flying Raw (UFRaw) is a utility for converting and
manipulating raw images from digital cameras. It can be used as a
stand-alone tool or as a Gimp plug-in, and images can be batch
processed using the command-line interface. UFRaw reads most existing
raw formats using Dave Coffin's raw conversion utility DCRaw, and it
supports basic color management using Little CMS, allowing the user to
apply color profiles.

This works fine with raw images from my Olympus.

Am not familiar with NEF. I do not have the package "libraw5" installed but the discription, again from synaptic;
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LibRaw is a library for reading RAW files obtained from digital photo cameras
(CRW/CR2, NEF, RAF, DNG, and others).

This package contains the shared library.

seems to indicate it deals with it.

I think you need "libraw-bin" also. Really have no clue as to how NEF is different from what I get, don't have a camera that produces it so you would have to give it a whack.

Those are packages in the Debian repo for Sid, where I am right now. libraw5 may be libraw(some other number) in Debian testing so searching for libraw with no number is probably the best idea. Searching for libraw-bin should bring in libraw too as libraw-bin debends on it.

Linux, in general, will deal with most things. A search engine is your friend as is the search function in synaptic package manager.

The command;
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apt-cache search "raw"

returns a lot of packages but many are probably not related to photography "raw".
Comparing that out put with the out put of;
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apt-cache search "NEF"

may be a way to narrow it down if ufraw with libraw-bin doesn't do the trick.

I am sorry that I am not better at using apt-cache search but I don't really know how to refine the search filter.
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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby bmike1 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:06 am

It is strange that they previewed when I first installed ufraw until I hit refresh. Well I checked out if libraw5 and libraw-bin and libraw5 was installed but installing libraw-bin didn't help any. I'm not sure what I would be looking for in comparing apt-cache search raw/nef so I did the following:

bmike1@Michaels-Laptop:~$ apt-cache search raw |grep nef
denef - Decode Nikon D1 NEF image files
bmike1@Michaels-Laptop:~$ apt-cache search "raw" |grep "NEF"
denef - Decode Nikon D1 NEF image files
bmike1@Michaels-Laptop:~$ apt-cache search nef |grep raw
libraw-dev - raw image decoder library (development files)
libraw-doc - raw image decoder library (documentation)
libraw5 - raw image decoder library
libraw-bin - raw image decoder library (tools)
bmike1@Michaels-Laptop:~$ apt-cache search NEF |grep raw
libraw-dev - raw image decoder library (development files)
libraw-doc - raw image decoder library (documentation)
libraw5 - raw image decoder library
libraw-bin - raw image decoder library (tools)
bmike1@Michaels-Laptop:~$

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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby widget on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:31 am

What are you wanting to open these files in? Gimp?

If it is Gimp I would check out what extentions are available for it.

http://ufraw.sourceforge.net/
May be of some help. Seems to imply that it can handle NEF fine. I take it your experience does not indicate that.

There is mention of other extensions and plugins though.

There was this mention of it somewhere I looked at earlier today and saved this from the general bull. Usually make note of the source but didn't on this one.
On Linux, your choices are limited. There is RawTherapee (which I have not used in a long time, because I use the above). Also, Photivo is liked by other people. You can also consider Darktable which is very slick.


Found a pcmag.com article that claimed 2.6 opened the files fine with ufraw installed. 2.8 should do it as well of better I would think.

You could do a search for the Debian Squeeze packages gimp and ufraw and try it I supose (would be 2.6).

I think you may need to open the thing in ufraw and then edit with gimp. Not sure about that but I think I saw some mention of that a couple years ago.

I sure hope you can get this going. Please keep us posted.
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Caja will not preview raw image files (NEF).

Postby bmike1 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:05 pm

I think we have a misunderstanding, ufraw works just fine and I can open the raw images just fine too (gimp, photivo, etc....). The problem I am having is that the raw images will not preview in caja.
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Re: what is linux mint debian edition?

Postby bmike1 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:53 pm

I'm going to move this discussion to:

viewtopic.php?f=206&t=86481&p=661036#p661036
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