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by **zerozero** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:31 pm

fiver,
i would start looking for the usual suspect

Code: Select all: dpkg -l | grep nautilus

in 2 xfce installs it reports

Code: Select all: zerozero@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus-extension1a 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 libraries for nautilus components - runtime version

Code: Select all: zerozero@un-xfce:~$ dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus-extension1a 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 libraries for nautilus components - runtime version

just that.
i bet that your list is bigger :shock:

by **fiver22** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:17 pm

zerozero wrote:fiver,
i would start looking for the usual suspect
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dpkg -l | grep nautilus

in 2 xfce installs it reports
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zerozero@debian:~$ dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus-extension1a 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 libraries for nautilus components - runtime version

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zerozero@un-xfce:~$ dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus-extension1a 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 libraries for nautilus components - runtime version
just that.
i bet that your list is bigger

Quite right, zero zero:

Code: Select all: {13-01-13 21:18}m0nster2:~ fiver22% dpkg -l | grep nautilus ii libnautilus-extension1a 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 libraries for nautilus components - runtime version rc nautilus 3.4.2-1+build1 amd64 file manager and graphical shell for GNOME ii nautilus-data 3.4.2-1+build1 all data files for nautilus ii nautilus-open-terminal 0.19-2+b1 amd64 nautilus plugin for opening terminals in arbitrary paths

by **zerozero** on Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:01 pm

fiver,
you are in xfce, right?
if it was me i would start cleaning the house
- you don't (probably) need nautilus
sudo apt-get -s purge <each one of the listed above, one at a time>
check what else is/would be removed (you are only simulating here, if the output looks ok remove the -s switch)
afaik the only pkg that you won't be able to remove is libnautilus-extension1a, all the rest should be safe.

this is the first part (the easy one :lol:

)

second part:

Code: Select all: dpkg -l | grep gnome

now the list should be huge and you can't remove all of it (actually there's things there that if you remove you'll break your install: like keyring and networkmanager)
so here you have to look for the obvious:
- gnome-shell
- gnome-terminal
- gnome-system-monitor
(there's a few more that i don't remember now

) but again always careful with those removals (watch what goes with it)

in the end (and after some trials) you will have a cleaner system.

EDIT:
got now those updates

Code: Select all: The following packages will be upgraded: chromium chromium-browser chromium-inspector exim4-config grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common libpython2.7 python2.7 python2.7-dev python2.7-minimal tar 13 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

i'm in kde (and it's free of gnome intrusions :roll:

)

by **fiver22** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:51 am

Yer a peach, zerozero

I AM in Xfce.
I'll pull the obvious stuff out and err on the side of caution. Stuff that MAY have pulled in nautilus and gnome stuff: TrueCrypt -it launches nautilus by default, it seems. The other is dropbox -even though I've followed some tutorials to get it working with xfce/thunar I think the initial install might have pulled in nautilus (or wanted to).
About to try your suggestions and I'll report back if anything comes up -not hugely afraid of breaking things as I have a recent clonezilla backup.
Thanks again!

zerozero wrote:fiver,
you are in xfce, right?
if it was me i would start cleaning the house
- you don't (probably) need nautilus
sudo apt-get -s purge <each one of the listed above, one at a time>
check what else is/would be removed (you are only simulating here, if the output looks ok remove the -s switch)
afaik the only pkg that you won't be able to remove is libnautilus-extension1a, all the rest should be safe.

this is the first part (the easy one )

second part:
Code: Select all
dpkg -l | grep gnome
now the list should be huge and you can't remove all of it (actually there's things there that if you remove you'll break your install: like keyring and networkmanager)
so here you have to look for the obvious:
- gnome-shell
- gnome-terminal
- gnome-system-monitor
(there's a few more that i don't remember now ) but again always careful with those removals (watch what goes with it)

in the end (and after some trials) you will have a cleaner system.

EDIT:
got now those updates
Code: Select all
The following packages will be upgraded: chromium chromium-browser chromium-inspector exim4-config grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common libpython2.7 python2.7 python2.7-dev python2.7-minimal tar 13 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
i'm in kde (and it's free of gnome intrusions )

by **fiver22** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:05 am

I feel a bit like I'm spamming up the place with these long code blocks -is there a show/hide or spoiler bbcode tag enabled? Anyway, here goes:

Code: Select all: {13-01-14 8:13}m0nster2:~ fiver22% sudo apt-get purge gnome-shell (...) The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required: libmusicbrainz5-0 Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it. The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-session* gnome-shell* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 16 not upgraded. After this operation, 1,218 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y (Reading database ... 223123 files and directories currently installed.) Removing gnome-session ... update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/gnome-session-fallback to provide /usr/bin/x-session-manager (x-session-manager) in auto mode Removing gnome-shell ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0:amd64 ...

musicbrainz picard? I really like that, but I can live without it and use Beets music tagger, instead.
--It's still installed after autoremove

Code: Select all: {13-01-14 8:14}m0nster2:~ fiver22% sudo apt-get purge gnome-terminal (...) The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: folks-common gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0 gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-folks-0.6 gir1.2-gck-1 gir1.2-gcr-3 gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gee-1.0 gir1.2-gkbd-3.0 gir1.2-mutter-3.0 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-telepathyglib-0.12 gir1.2-telepathylogger-0.2 gir1.2-upowerglib-1.0 gir1.2-xkl-1.0 gjs gkbd-capplet gnome-contacts gnome-shell-common libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libfolks-eds25 libfolks-telepathy25 libfolks25 libmusicbrainz5-0 libmutter0 libtelepathy-logger2 mutter-common Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-terminal* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 16 not upgraded. After this operation, 757 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y (Reading database ... 223085 files and directories currently installed.) Removing gnome-terminal ... (...)Processing triggers for menu ...

Code: Select all: {13-01-14 8:15}m0nster2:~ fiver22% sudo apt-get purge gnome-system-monitor Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: folks-common gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0 gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-folks-0.6 gir1.2-gck-1 gir1.2-gcr-3 gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gee-1.0 gir1.2-gkbd-3.0 gir1.2-mutter-3.0 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-telepathyglib-0.12 gir1.2-telepathylogger-0.2 gir1.2-upowerglib-1.0 gir1.2-xkl-1.0 gjs gkbd-capplet gnome-contacts gnome-shell-common gnome-terminal-data libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libfolks-eds25 libfolks-telepathy25 libfolks25 libmusicbrainz5-0 libmutter0 libtelepathy-logger2 mutter-common Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-system-monitor* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 16 not upgraded. After this operation, 5,392 kB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? Y (Reading database ... 223071 files and directories currently installed.) Removing gnome-system-monitor ... Purging configuration files for gnome-system-monitor ... Processing triggers for menu ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for libglib2.0-0:amd64 ...

Code: Select all: {13-01-14 8:15}m0nster2:~ fiver22% sudo apt-get purge nautilus Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: folks-common gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0 gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-folks-0.6 gir1.2-gck-1 gir1.2-gcr-3 gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gee-1.0 gir1.2-gkbd-3.0 gir1.2-mutter-3.0 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-telepathyglib-0.12 gir1.2-telepathylogger-0.2 gir1.2-upowerglib-1.0 gir1.2-xkl-1.0 gjs gkbd-capplet gnome-contacts gnome-shell-common gnome-terminal-data libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libfolks-eds25 libfolks-telepathy25 libfolks25 libmusicbrainz5-0 libmutter0 libtelepathy-logger2 mutter-common Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be REMOVED: nautilus* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 16 not upgraded. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y (Reading database ... 222641 files and directories currently installed.) Removing nautilus ... Purging configuration files for nautilus ... Processing triggers for menu ... {13-01-14 8:16}m0nster2:~ fiver22%

Now:

Code: Select all: {13-01-14 8:59}m0nster2:~ fiver22% dpkg -l | grep gnome ii gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 3.4.2-1 amd64 Introspection data for GnomeBluetooth ii gnome-accessibility-themes 3.4.2-2.1 all Accessibility themes for the GNOME desktop ii gnome-applets 3.4.1-3 amd64 Various applets for the GNOME panel - binary files ii gnome-applets-data 3.4.1-3 all Various applets for the GNOME panel - data files ii gnome-audio 2.22.2-1 all Audio files for GNOME ii gnome-bluetooth 3.4.2-1 amd64 GNOME Bluetooth tools ii gnome-control-center 1:3.4.2+git20121016.29d7c0-1 amd64 utilities to configure the GNOME desktop ii gnome-control-center-data 1:3.4.2+git20121016.29d7c0-1 all configuration applets for GNOME - data files ii gnome-desktop-data 2.32.1-2 all Common files for GNOME desktop apps ii gnome-desktop3-data 3.4.2-1 all Common files for GNOME desktop apps ii gnome-dictionary 3.4.0-2 amd64 GNOME dictionary application ii gnome-disk-utility 3.0.2-3 amd64 manage and configure disk drives and media ii gnome-doc-utils 0.20.10-1 all collection of documentation utilities for the GNOME project ii gnome-icon-theme 3.4.0-2 all GNOME Desktop icon theme ii gnome-icon-theme-symbolic 3.4.0-2 all GNOME desktop icon theme (symbolic icons) ii gnome-js-common 0.1.2-1 all Common modules for GNOME JavaScript interpreters ii gnome-keyring 3.4.1-5 amd64 GNOME keyring services (daemon and tools) ii gnome-mag 1:0.16.3-1 amd64 a screen magnifier for the GNOME desktop ii gnome-media 3.4.0-1 amd64 GNOME media utilities ii gnome-media-common 2.30.0-1 all GNOME media utilities - common files ii gnome-menus 3.4.2-5 amd64 GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification ii gnome-mime-data 2.18.0-1 all base MIME and Application database for GNOME. ii gnome-mplayer 1.0.6-1 amd64 GTK+ interface for MPlayer rc gnome-netstatus-applet 2.28.1-1 amd64 Network status applet for GNOME ii gnome-nettool 3.2.0-1 amd64 network information tool for GNOME ii gnome-online-accounts 3.4.2-1 amd64 GNOME Online Accounts ii gnome-panel 3.4.2.1-3 amd64 launcher and docking facility for GNOME ii gnome-panel-data 3.4.2.1-3 all common files for the GNOME Panel ii gnome-power-manager 3.4.0-2 amd64 power management tool for the GNOME desktop ii gnome-ppp 0.3.23-1.2 amd64 modem internet connection tool for the GNOME Desktop ii gnome-search-tool 3.4.0-2+b1 amd64 GNOME tool to search files ii gnome-session-bin 3.4.2.1-3 amd64 GNOME Session Manager - Minimal runtime ii gnome-session-canberra 0.28-6 amd64 GNOME session log in and log out sound events ii gnome-session-common 3.4.2.1-3 all GNOME Session Manager - common files ii gnome-session-fallback 3.4.2.1-3 all GNOME Session Manager - GNOME fallback session ii gnome-settings-daemon 3.4.2+git20121218.7c1322-1 amd64 daemon handling the GNOME session settings ii gnome-system-tools 3.0.0-2 amd64 Cross-platform configuration utilities for GNOME ii gnome-themes-standard 3.4.2-2.1 amd64 Standard GNOME themes ii gnome-themes-standard-data 3.4.2-2.1 all Data files for GNOME standard themes ii gnome-user-guide 3.4.2-1+build1 all GNOME user's guide ii gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs:amd64 0.10.36-1 amd64 GStreamer plugin for GnomeVFS ii libgmlib0:amd64 1.0.6-1 amd64 gnome-mplayer library (shared library) ii libgmtk0:amd64 1.0.6-1 amd64 gnome-mplayer toolkit (shared library) ii libgmtk0-data 1.0.6-1 all gnome-mplayer toolkit (common files) ii libgnome-bluetooth10 3.4.2-1 amd64 GNOME Bluetooth tools - support library ii libgnome-bluetooth7 2.30.0-2 amd64 GNOME Bluetooth tools - support library rc libgnome-bluetooth8 3.2.2-1 amd64 GNOME Bluetooth tools - support library ii libgnome-desktop-2-17 2.32.1-2 amd64 Utility library for loading .desktop files - runtime files ii libgnome-desktop-3-2 3.4.2-1 amd64 Utility library for loading .desktop files - runtime files ii libgnome-keyring-common 3.4.1-1 all GNOME keyring services library - data files ii libgnome-keyring0:amd64 3.4.1-1 amd64 GNOME keyring services library ii libgnome-keyring1.0-cil 1.0.0-4 amd64 CLI library to access the GNOME Keyring daemon ii libgnome-mag2 1:0.16.3-1 amd64 screen magnification library for the GNOME desktop (shared library) ii libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 3.0.0-1 amd64 GNOME Media Profiles library ii libgnome-media0 2.30.0-1 amd64 runtime libraries for the GNOME media utilities ii libgnome-menu-3-0 3.4.2-5 amd64 GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification ii libgnome-menu2 3.0.1-4 amd64 GNOME implementation of the freedesktop menu specification ii libgnome-speech7 1:0.4.25-5 amd64 GNOME text-to-speech library ii libgnome-vfs2.0-cil 2.24.2-2 all CLI binding for GnomeVFS 2.24 ii libgnome-window-settings1 1:2.30.1-3 amd64 Utility library for getting window manager settings ii libgnome2-0 2.32.1-2 amd64 The GNOME library - runtime files ii libgnome2-canvas-perl 1.002-2+b2 amd64 Perl interface to the GNOME canvas library ii libgnome2-common 2.32.1-2 all The GNOME library - common files ii libgnome2.24-cil 2.24.2-2 amd64 CLI binding for GNOME 2.24 ii libgnomecanvas2-0 2.30.3-1.2 amd64 powerful object-oriented display engine - runtime files ii libgnomecanvas2-common 2.30.3-1.2 all powerful object-oriented display engine - common files ii libgnomekbd-common 3.4.0.2-1 all GNOME library to manage keyboard configuration - common files ii libgnomekbd4 2.30.2-2 amd64 GNOME library to manage keyboard configuration - shared library ii libgnomekbd7 3.4.0.2-1 amd64 GNOME library to manage keyboard configuration - shared library ii libgnomeui-0 2.24.5-2 amd64 GNOME user interface library - runtime files ii libgnomeui-common 2.24.5-2 all GNOME user interface library - common files ii libgnomevfs2-0 1:2.24.4-1 amd64 GNOME Virtual File System (runtime libraries) ii libgnomevfs2-common 1:2.24.4-1 all GNOME Virtual File System (common files) ii libgnomevfs2-extra 1:2.24.4-1 amd64 GNOME Virtual File System (extra modules) ii libpam-gnome-keyring 3.4.1-5 amd64 PAM module to unlock the GNOME keyring upon login ii libreoffice-gnome 1:3.5.4+dfsg-4 amd64 office productivity suite -- GNOME integration ii libsoup-gnome2.4-1:amd64 2.38.1-2 amd64 HTTP library implementation in C -- GNOME support library ii network-manager-gnome 0.9.4.1-2 amd64 network management framework (GNOME frontend) ii network-manager-pptp-gnome 0.9.4.0-2 amd64 network management framework (PPTP plugin GNOME GUI) ii policykit-1-gnome 0.105-2 amd64 GNOME authentication agent for PolicyKit-1 ii python-gnome2 2.28.1+dfsg-1 amd64 Python bindings for the GNOME desktop environment ii python-gnomedesktop 2.32.0+dfsg-2+b1 amd64 Python bindings for the GNOME desktop library ii python-gnomekeyring 2.32.0+dfsg-2+b1 amd64 Python bindings for the GNOME keyring library {13-01-14 8:59}m0nster2:~ fiver22%

Cautious of pulling out the above, I know not to remove keyring and networkmanager. Thoughts on if it'd be worth it to play around with removing stuff with gnome in the name or...?
As always -thank you!

by **zerozero** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:07 pm

fiver, sorry for the delay, i wanted to boot into this install and get this info from this VM

this is a lmde-xfce install (VM) where i did what you are trying now
removal history http://pastebin.com/1kNrbRNa
gnome libs installed right now http://pastebin.com/7KgHYggA (there's still a lot in there)

as this VM is not in my main system i've been a bad maintainer and probably the last DU was couple months ago :shock:

(always a BIG error if you're tracking testing) but right now the DU output (295 upgraded, 9 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.) tho daunting is relatively gnome free (and surely there's no gnome-shell or nautilus creeping in) http://pastebin.com/nRj7C3Wz
so all in all the main objective is accomplish but i know that there's a better cleaning up to do in that gnome list

by **fiver22** on Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:28 pm

Thanks zerozero (as always),
I've been cautiously pulling things out and haven't run into any major issues. I somehow pulled out gdm3 which became obvious at reboot

, I installed mdm and that was that. O ther than that I accidentally removed gedit (gnome, but I like it). All easy to recover from.
I'm happy getting nautilus out -and gnome-shell. I'm not desperate for a totally pristine xfce on this install (we'll see how the unofficial lmde xfce goes).
All is well and thanks again o/

by **zerozero** on Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:38 pm

zerozero wrote:[...]

anyway, tired of waiting for a fix, and with the system unusable like this i followed viking's advise and downgraded to the backport xorg for the moment; it's a bit of a scary move at first (the amount of removals is impressive) but the system is finally responsive as it was and should be
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Start-Date: 2011-10-04 01:57:06 Commandline: apt-get install xserver-common=2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1 xserver-xephyr=2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1 xserver-xorg-core=2:1.10.4-1~bpo60+1 xserver-xorg-input-evdev=1:2.6.0-2~bpo60+1 xserver-xorg-input-synaptics=1.4.1-1~bpo60+1 xserver-xorg-video-vesa=1:2.3.0-7~bpo60+1 Install: xserver-xephyr:amd64 (1.10.4-1~bpo60+1) Downgrade: xserver-xorg-core:amd64 (1.11.1-1, 1.10.4-1~bpo60+1), xserver-common:amd64 (1.11.1-1, 1.10.4-1~bpo60+1), xserver-xorg-input-evdev:amd64 (2.6.0-2+b2, 2.6.0-2~bpo60+1), xserver-xorg-video-vesa:amd64 (2.3.0-7+b1, 2.3.0-7~bpo60+1), xserver-xorg-input-synaptics:amd64 (1.4.1-1+b1, 1.4.1-1~bpo60+1) Remove: xserver-xorg-video-i740:amd64 (1.3.2-4+b2), xserver-xorg-video-all:amd64 (7.6+8), xserver-xorg-video-apm:amd64 (1.2.3-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-ark:amd64 (0.7.3-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-ati:amd64 (6.14.2-2), xserver-xorg-video-openchrome:amd64 (0.2.904+svn920-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-s3virge:amd64 (1.10.4-4+b2), xserver-xorg-video-mga:amd64 (1.4.13.dfsg-3+b2), xserver-xorg-video-chips:amd64 (1.2.4-1+b2), xserver-xorg-video-mach64:amd64 (6.9.0-1+b1), xserver-xorg-video-trident:amd64 (1.3.4-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-sis:amd64 (0.10.3-3+b2), xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion:amd64 (1.7.5-1+b2), xserver-xorg-video-savage:amd64 (2.3.2-3+b2), xserver-xorg-video-tdfx:amd64 (1.4.3-4+b2), xserver-xorg-video-intel:amd64 (2.16.0-1), xserver-xorg-video-vmware:amd64 (11.0.3-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-r128:amd64 (6.8.1-5+b2), xserver-xorg-video-s3:amd64 (0.6.3-4+b2), xserver-xorg-video-voodoo:amd64 (1.2.4-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-fbdev:amd64 (0.4.2-4+b2), xserver-xorg-input-wacom:amd64 (0.10.10+20110203-1+b2), xserver-xorg-video-nouveau:amd64 (0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1+b2), xserver-xorg-video-neomagic:amd64 (1.2.5-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-sisusb:amd64 (0.9.4-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-tseng:amd64 (1.2.4-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-radeon:amd64 (6.14.2-2), xserver-xorg-video-cirrus:amd64 (1.3.2-4+b2), xserver-xorg-video-rendition:amd64 (4.2.4-2+b2), xserver-xorg-video-i128:amd64 (1.3.4-2+b2) End-Date: 2011-10-04 01:57:48

and today i found out that nvidia launched a new v. with support to xorg 1.11
it should be in experimental soon
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... &px=OTk2MQ

this is a post from oct 2011 and yesterday saved this install

few days ago i upgraded all my hardware (new MB, new ram, new cpu, new power supply) and kept the same hdd with my installs;
i knew that removing the nvidia card and installing the HD4000 intel would bring issues but i managed to solve them *easily* in the other installs except this;
the same procedure would either give me a depressing tty or worst just a blinking cursor;
after 3 days of some hair-pulling :lol:

yesterday (between a coffee&cigarette) i remembered this breakage and "waitasecond!! is xorg-video-intel installed? nahh :shock:

"

fixed

Code: Select all: amadeu@amadeu ~ $ inxi -Gx Graphics: Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 X.Org: 1.12.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@59.9hz GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Desktop GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 8.0.5 Direct Rendering: Yes

by **zerozero** on Thu May 02, 2013 12:21 pm

debian wheezy is expected to be released as the next debian 7 next weekend (4th/5th may http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-an ... 00006.html)
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this means (for us tracking directly testing) that we will see again the awakening of Testing (this time with codename Jessie) in the day(s) immediately after.
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this topic (more than 2 years long) fulfilled its purpose and will be locked then. it's better (with Jessie's cycle) to start afresh; the new topic is here >>
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