I was asked recently why I used Linux on my computers, and I found myself a bit lost for words. Why do I use Linux, and what do I use it for? I wanted to explain how wonderful Linux was, but could not think of anything much to say.
bimsebasse wrote:I use it for everything and don't dual boot with XP anymore. The only things I miss from Windows are foobar/iTunes and Photoshop, I have made do with Linux equivalents but they're not replacements.
bimsebasse wrote:...they all have an OS that for some reason seems to deteriorate rapidly and get increasingly more sluggish.
bimsebasse wrote:it's like dancing with a blind hippo.
KBD47 wrote:Also, doesn't Caffeine disable the screen saver if it's installed? You definitely don't need the screen going blank while watching videos.
DrHu wrote:...Uefi is the bigger issue with win8, and maybe the tiled start menu (mobilty based for touch screens is not a good "cup of tea" for some: myself included..
perduta wrote:bimsebasse wrote:it's like dancing with a blind hippo.
I am having a vision of dancing blind hippos now.
Linux Mint is indeed a pleasure to work with whereas I find Ubuntu became unusable with the Unity desktop.
The most incredible thing was that and I actually really like windows 8 even though I started out determined to hate it
bimsebasse wrote:Yeah I played around with it in the local hardware store and thought it was decent, but then again I've used a smartphone for ages so it's not alienating. I suspect the out-roar mainly comes from people who have never owned a touch device of any kind.
dee. wrote:bimsebasse wrote:Yeah I played around with it in the local hardware store and thought it was decent, but then again I've used a smartphone for ages so it's not alienating. I suspect the out-roar mainly comes from people who have never owned a touch device of any kind.
Not really. I'm familiar with using touch devices and when I tried win8 in the store it made me feel like taking a shower. To wash away the smell of windows 8.
The UI is just so damn inconsistent and horrible. And really, if you look at the sales figures, it looks like most people agree. I think the main issue here is, that desktops, tablets and phones are all very different tools, and require different interfaces. Trying to use a desktop interface on a smartphone with 5" screen, or a smartphone interface on a desktop with a 22" screen, both would be horrible. Trying to create an OS that uses the same interface in these dramatically different devices is just plain lunacy.
dee. wrote:Also: I use Linux for everything that I do on my computer. This includes, in no particular order: drawing, graphic design, some hobby programming (which I mostly suck at), watching videos, listening to music, browsing the web, writing documents and spreadsheets, sending and receiving email, playing games, irc.
perduta wrote:Most of those things do work well on Linux Mint.
When it comes to programming though I think we will have to target Windows because programming for Linux makes no financial sense.
dee. wrote:perduta wrote:Most of those things do work well on Linux Mint.
They all do.
dee. wrote:When it comes to programming though I think we will have to target Windows because programming for Linux makes no financial sense.
Tell that to Valve... Red Hat... Samsung... Google... Intel... and the hundreds of new kickstarter projects that target Linux and have raised substantial amounts of money - if that doesn't make "financial sense" I don't know what does. Oh, and the Humble Indie Bundle where Linux users pay almost double the amount per user that mac & windows users do.
Yeah, I think pretty soon it's going to be the other way around - targeting windows doesn't make financial sense, in the long run.
perduta wrote:I haven't been using it long, but I certainly found a few little show stoppers. Now I did have some comparable problems with my recent Windows 8 update and I dialed their free phone number and got to talk to someone within minutes. Half an hour later I got e-mail with clear instructions and then the problem was fixed. Now Linux Mint I think is very good especially as it's free, but my time is precious to me so the sooner we stop treating it as a kind of religion and face the reality... the better: I use my computer primarily to get a job done and don't want a new look and feel every 6 months if that means things stop working.
perduta wrote:Time will tell, but I gather Red Hat for instance is one company that stated categorically there be very little profit to be made with Linux. Perhaps things will change with Android and touchpad devices, but IMHO Linux conceptually targets multi-user mainframe technology from before many of us were even born and it is bogged down with legacy baggage and conflicting standards that are of little use today.
eanfrid wrote:@perduta: obviously you are more interested in the free-as-beer side of a Linux distrib than in user's freedom and code-openness aspects (or in the technical side of computers either).
perduta wrote:Far more sinister is however how Microsoft are tying computers into their OS with things like uefi and tying your license into your specific hardware setup. It becomes a problem to upgrade. I also don't like that I can't use my region free DvD player any more and for those reasons alone Linux still has a place on my desktop machine today
... When it comes to programming though I think we will have to target Windows because programming for Linux makes no financial sense.
eanfrid wrote:Linux is not a gratis alternate version of Windows. Like Unix and BSD, it comes with/from a totally different world vision and culture.
perduta wrote:I am aware of that which is why I mentioned it earlier: Linux, like Unix and BSD too AFIK are conceptually designed for yesteryear's a corporate networks in which authorized personnel log into generic computers and a central file server serves up their applications and data that they work on as configured by managed administrative policies.
perduta wrote:Personal computers in the home and hand held devices too are often just entertainment stations: media players or communication devices for social networking.
Personal computers in the work place are often self contained processing stations targeted and configured by the owner specifically for doing a professional job and maybe the small business accounts and some administrative stuff on the side: This is a totally different pedigree to impersonal office data processors on a corporate network... hence the name "Personal" computer and hence why I'm asking how people actually do use their Linux boxes.
perduta wrote:p.s. @dee
I am looking from the point of view of employment prospects and from looking under the hood at things like the legacy folder structure. Isn't it still the venerable old X11 window system that underpins all these different desktop systems?
dee. wrote:As for employment prospects... well, depends on what exactly you do for living, but there are plenty of employment prospects for linux users. Right now it's a growing market, the salaries of linux professionals have grown hugely in last year alone: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025924/ ... -dice.html
perduta wrote:@ dee
Like I said earlier... while this thread is not intended to be a criticism or discussion of the Linux internals, treating it as a religion is doing nobody any favors at all.
Unix is not quite the panacea you make it out to be. It is designed for centralized processing, serving dumb display terminals. Today the reality of computing is distributed processing with autonomous work stations. Dependence on an insecure internet as THE network that ties them all together is IMO a liability for privacy and security. Speaking of which, did you google 'Unity amazon lens' yet as I recommended elsewhere?
Apart from that, there is no denying the phenomenal amount of dead wood when you deploy said Unix paradigm on single user personal devices. For instance just take a look at how many system folders named 'bin' that you can find... and why is it assumed that each user will only work on their own personal files? I don't even want a user account on my personal computer that sits in my personal living room in my home... I don't have one on my TV set or dish washer do I?
dee. wrote:There's nothing religious here.
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