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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby dee. on Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:03 pm

ElectricRider wrote:I read that claim someplace.. probably on a BSD page. The claim included all BSD's in general since all BSD distros can all run the same software, It's not meant just for this one PC-BSD distro which is the most popular desktop flavor.


Well I seriously doubt that claim. They're probably counting all software that can be run on BSD, not just software specifically written for BSD. That's kind of fallacious, because software that is written for UNIX/POSIX compatible systems (and/or X11), runs just as well on Linux as it does on BSD's.

ElectricRider wrote:I agree the licensing sucks. They could be a strong desktop contender or compitition for Linux distros if they had a more open license.


Actually, the openness of the license is not the problem - the BSD license is very open, in fact it's a bit too open. The BSD license allows pretty much anything, it's basically just a step up from public domain - you can do whatever with the source code, you can relicense it, even make a proprietary fork - anyone can just appropriate the code for their own purposes and close down the code. And that's a problem, because developers have no guarantees that the code they contribute stays open. Anyone can take their code and turn it proprietary, without giving anything back to the open source community. There have been lots of examples of companies taking BSD and making a proprietary OS out of it - so far, only Apple has been succesful, and they had to buthcer BSD quite a bit, change the kernel and everything.

GPL is much better in this regard. It's kind of ironic, how BSD advocates are always harping on about how the BSD license is friendlier to businesses, and that GPL drives them away, yet the truth is in fact the exact opposite - the GPL-licensed Linux attracts more companies to contribute and support it, because they can be guaranteed that no one can just take their work and take advantage of it. The GPL enforces a level playing field, it enables collaboration even between companies that are otherwise in competition with each other.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby seehymeh on Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:21 pm

I really liked the section that compares all the "windows features" that existed before Microsoft implemented them. It's interesting to see when something existed, and then existed in a popular form. But, the most interesting to me was this bit:
The X11 windowing system. . . well, the most popular implementation is xorg right now...
This one sentence reminds me that, while this is all I've ever know(probably), it is not the only solution nor will it last forever.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby Tatwi on Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:58 pm

dee. wrote:
ElectricRider wrote: There have been lots of examples of companies taking BSD and making a proprietary OS out of it - so far, only Apple has been succesful, and they had to buthcer BSD quite a bit, change the kernel and everything.


The Playstation 3 OS is a whopping success for a BSD based operating system. The PS4 will also be based on BSD.

You're right though, BSD is great for companies because they take it for free and do what they want with it, never having to share their changes with anyone else. I think it's safe to say those are the only reasons why companies such as Sony choose BSD over Linux or QNX. When you're looking make a nice walled garden to maximize profits, nothing beats BSD!

Sucks that some companies have no problems making billions off open source without giving anything back to the community, while MANY other companies actively employ people to work in the open source community. Many companies make donations of time, resources, hardware, and cash to the open source communities. Other companies use BSD.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby dinuxlebian on Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:12 pm

Man oh man, don't mean to be a bore, but neither Ubuntu nor Mint is "human", as Ubuntu likes to advertise itself.. Linux is way behind in the area of ease of usability... Wake up Linux.. I'm set to switch to Linux now and that's why I'm posting here but, I honestly wouldn't recommend it to 95% of the people I know.. And no matter how you look at it that's not a good thing, for Linux.

It's on it's way: with it's own projects such as this particular distro and Ubuntu, Android and ChromeOS (the world's most easy to use Linux based OS IMHO) but it's got a looong way to go..


TL;DR And even though Linux is NOT Windows, Linux isn't even OS X.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby dee. on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:21 am

dinuxlebian wrote:Man oh man, don't mean to be a bore, but neither Ubuntu nor Mint is "human", as Ubuntu likes to advertise itself.. Linux is way behind in the area of ease of usability...


How do you mean? I find most Linux DE's to be just as easy to use as Windows - if not easier in some aspects.

Explain.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby Crewp on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:57 am

I do not agree, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, and a few other distro's are very easy to use.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby monkeyboy on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:27 am

dinuxlebian wrote:Man oh man, don't mean to be a bore, but neither Ubuntu nor Mint is "human", as Ubuntu likes to advertise itself.. Linux is way behind in the area of ease of usability... Wake up Linux.. I'm set to switch to Linux now and that's why I'm posting here but, I honestly wouldn't recommend it to 95% of the people I know.. And no matter how you look at it that's not a good thing, for Linux.

It's on it's way: with it's own projects such as this particular distro and Ubuntu, Android and ChromeOS (the world's most easy to use Linux based OS IMHO) but it's got a looong way to go..


TL;DR And even though Linux is NOT Windows, Linux isn't even OS X.


Its very much about familiarity for some folks, they often find Linux is just as easy to use as any other OS once they learn the ropes.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby thestoryiheard on Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:07 pm

I like the article. It was written by a man/woman, who knows what he/she is talking about.

Lego story section... My face was like - :D

In my opinion, you can recommend Linux (some distros) for people, who don't do any specific job on Windows. And of course, I think that if you will try to install Linux for user who even can't mess with Windows basics you must do some pre-configuration before give it to end user.

And thanks to the specialist, who taught me FreeBSD/Nets/Security I know - you can just buy any PC/notebook/whatever and run Linux on it. It is another type of thinking. You have to choose a hardware for a software, not vice versa. You don't buy a server with whatever hardware inside, because you want that that server runs smoothly for a long time. So why we so careless about your own desktop?

I am new at Linux, and I mess with some problems. But I know that you can't compare the hole idea of Linux with small problems that you personally have.

Windows works on the most hardware. Because of monopoly. And of course, nobody will tell you that someday you will mess with BIG PROBLEMS, because of bad written software, backdoors and of course, you need to install antivirus for your system. Linux runs on some type of software, and of course you might have some problems with it, but in the end you will get safe and stable OS.

Everything above is just my opinion.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby Aristotelian on Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:04 am

I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to reinstall Windows XP on my old computer after running LUbuntu on it for the last two years (I am donating it to a nonprofit that uses Windows). It just reminds me how much Windows SUCKS. Had to download every driver individually... Then I couldn't install anything without Service Pack 1...which I could not access without updating IE...but the IE install failed because it requires SP 1. I have a feeling MS is just making things difficult to try to get consumers to buy a Windows 7 license. But I bought XP with this computer, the computer is still running. Took me about 4 hours over two nights to get it functional. Linux would have been up and running in 20 minutes.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby tek_heretik on Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:06 pm

Aristotelian wrote:I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to reinstall Windows XP on my old computer after running LUbuntu on it for the last two years (I am donating it to a nonprofit that uses Windows). It just reminds me how much Windows SUCKS. Had to download every driver individually... Then I couldn't install anything without Service Pack 1...which I could not access without updating IE...but the IE install failed because it requires SP 1. I have a feeling MS is just making things difficult to try to get consumers to buy a Windows 7 license. But I bought XP with this computer, the computer is still running. Took me about 4 hours over two nights to get it functional. Linux would have been up and running in 20 minutes.


Although I totally agree and I feel your pain, XPoopoo (as I like to call it) has reached the end of life, and yeah, the scam to force upgrades (IMO) is real, MS are total doosh-sacks, lol, replace Internet Exploder with Firefox? Love Mint but because it has spyware friendly (not saying Mint spies but I can't use it knowing) Ubuntu under the hood, I moved on to SolydK, great distro.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby DarkCerberus on Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:56 pm

tek_heretik wrote:
Aristotelian wrote:I just had the unfortunate experience of trying to reinstall Windows XP on my old computer after running LUbuntu on it for the last two years (I am donating it to a nonprofit that uses Windows). It just reminds me how much Windows SUCKS. Had to download every driver individually... Then I couldn't install anything without Service Pack 1...which I could not access without updating IE...but the IE install failed because it requires SP 1. I have a feeling MS is just making things difficult to try to get consumers to buy a Windows 7 license. But I bought XP with this computer, the computer is still running. Took me about 4 hours over two nights to get it functional. Linux would have been up and running in 20 minutes.


Although I totally agree and I feel your pain, XPoopoo (as I like to call it) has reached the end of life, and yeah, the scam to force upgrades (IMO) is real, MS are total doosh-sacks, lol, replace Internet Exploder with Firefox? Love Mint but because it has spyware friendly (not saying Mint spies but I can't use it knowing) Ubuntu under the hood, I moved on to SolydK, great distro.


It's all down to personal tastes, some still like Windows XP others don't though with Ubuntu I don't even know how long it will last due to the OS going over to the Mir-Display server this in my view is the wrong choice and should have an option of either Xorg or Mir in the installer.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby jahid on Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:05 pm

linux is simpler than windows. where there is freedom, that becomes a place of simplicity in no time....
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Linux is Not Windows

Postby romanyacik on Fri May 09, 2014 6:46 pm

With the licensing, what's the difference between BSD and MIT? I never got that.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby tek_heretik on Sat May 10, 2014 10:26 am

DarkCerberus wrote:though with Ubuntu I don't even know how long it will last due to the OS going over to the Mir-Display server this in my view is the wrong choice and should have an option of either Xorg or Mir in the installer.

Good point, apparently they like being the 'wildcard' in the FOSS world, just more weirdness coming out of Canonical, *shakes head*.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby Jeffex on Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:56 am

Well...I have not chosen Linux because I was expecting it to be better than Windows.
I have chosen to try Open Source because I want to distance myself from corporate entities that want to monopolize and control the Internet.
It's all about privacy to me, and these c **ts need to be put to rest.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby ibrahimansari on Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:05 am

Funny how people the Linux and Windows are the same.
How I remember it is instead of remembering that that's that, I just remember the kernel is NT or Linux.
NT? That's Windows.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby excollier on Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:07 am

If systemd carries on unchecked, then Linux might as well be Windows.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby dkstanson on Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:30 am

Both Windows and Linux work great on their own field. Windows is great for daily work and gaming, however Linux is the best os for server. :D
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Re: Linux is Not Windows & LM 17.1 makes most sense

Postby Linus MacWinfrey on Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:39 am

Perhaps it helps not to be brand loyal. One has to follow whatever serves your needs best and not criticise those who follow different routes.


Windows Vista came in for much criticism, yet my own Dell Vostro with only 1GB RAM and a Celeron CPU performed well, with only the occasional crash. Maybe I was just lucky.


Windows 7 64-bit had serious hardware compatibility issues and so I installed Linux instead, on an IBM Thinkpad T61P that I had bought second-hand for a song.


Windows 8 served me well and its stability (relative to other Windows versions) really did impress even though going Metro was not bright. It claimed second best place after Linux, as Linux (Mint) outperformed it by a wide margin. I installed Linux Mint because I was tired of having the dogs at the gate to keep intruders out or sleeping with eyes wide open because anyone could jump the firewall.


Apple had a lovely OS and was well put together, but then I installed updates and the trouble began. Lost wireless networking, location services suffered, then local sync was taken away, the iPhone 5's power button broke and it took Apple well over a month to try fix and finally replace it, iCloud corrupted notes/contacts/calendar data and so the list goes on. A prime product marred by sloppy updates, mostly happening after Steve Jobs had died. Here is an example of how updates work nicely in Apple. At the price, is this a good deal, then?
http://www.zdnet.com/when-yosemite-went ... 000036309/


Linux Mint 17.1 is a very useful OS that comes loaded with all software solutions the majority of users will ever need. Of course, no OS is perfect. No OS can ever satisfy all, either.


Pricing is an issue and one would expect from Apple to be as relatively trouble free as Linux Mint is. Mostly, in my experience over the past 8+ years with it, everything generally just works and I never even needed to install hardware drivers. This was true for various distro's and a variety of versions of each, as installed on a number of different computers. When the free Linux works better than the premium-priced Mac OS X, one has to decide which will be right for you.


One has to look at these things objectively and seeing the bigger picture always helps.


The USA with its 300 million citizens have a much denser internet saturation than, for instance, the entire African continent with its 1.02 billion people spread across an area more than three times the size of the USA, fragmented into 54 countries totally independent from each other politically. Less than 18% have internet access.


Now consider this: Microsoft, submitting to US security agencies, were instructed to force users through the cloud. Office 365 is fast replacing standalone MSO. Those with fast broadband have no objection. More than six out of every seven global computer users do not have broadband and more than for of every seven have NO internet access. This is where Microsoft and its cloud'only approach, same as Apple, become irrelevant to those majorities.


Arguing between Linux vs Mac vs Windows becomes futile when the broadband internet prerequisite remains evasive and non-existent in most areas.


Standalone Linux works well in these environments and so do pirate Windows installations. The latter is rife in African-, Asian- and South American countries.


Consider total cost of ownership and you will see that Linux Mint or any other user-friendly distro really makes more sense to the bulk of the global population. When Windows became the global dominator, it was so only because there were, at the time, no real alternatives.


This is changing fast and users now have the wealth of choice. As Linux is the only OS that really offers future-proof solutions to all users and uses and markets, it could become the logical choice. Bear in mind, though, the tremendous Android footprint that ever-increases. Even that is Linux! Tablets & phablets are replacing a share of the desktop market but I do not see a total demise of the "real computer" for another decade or two.


It is good to have alternatives, just as it is good to be educated and informed, so as to choose the right swords for the battle. Any solution that works as well in either connected or unconnected environments will have the dollar vote of the users that need it.


Perhaps by 2035, when the entire globe has real freely available (coverage), reliable and either cheap or free broadband, less people will need standalone products. Until then, cloud-only technology aimed at 300 million users may be irrelevant to most of the other 6.3 billion.


Linux Mint 17.1 offers similar or sometimes even superior features and benefits to Mac and Windows, at an effective 100% discount on both OS and software applications. In a global economy that really finds itself not in recession but more in a depression (if you know how to evaluate statistics) it makes sense to participate economically at the least cost possible. In developing countries, Windows alone can easily cost up to 80% of the cost of the hardware it rides upon. Add the exorbitant cost of application software and the costs sky-rocket. MSO 2013 Professional and Windows 8.1 Professional multi-language can easily cost almost US$1k here. Apple costs 55% more than in the US in our market, even more in some other countries.

How much did you pay for Mint + apps?


Linux Mint 17.1 makes sense to those who are informed and thinking soberly.
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Re: Linux is Not Windows

Postby BigEasy on Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:02 am

Hmm... Very, very great idea (in height and width too). However, one thing is unclear: do you really think that there is one Linux on the Earth that exists on its own like a wild flower in field and does not require any money, just sunshine?
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