riki wrote:My experience trying to install LM14 alongside Windows 8 has proved nightmarish. First of all I enabled Legacy which disabled UEFI (secure booting).
The LM14 DVD claimed half the 750GB HD leaving the other half to W8 but then a message came up on the screen saying that the installation could not go ahead because of something referring to the kernel.
After reading many posts re W8 new attempt to deny other OSs from installing on "their" machines,
I should have never attempted to install LM14 and had I known about this I would have never purchased my Compaq laptop
I am now left with an extra partition (E) which I would like to merge back where it belongs: the "C" drive. I have tried several options unsuccessfully. I have downloaded EaseUs partition management software but I must be missing something and got stuck. Eventually, I will wipe out W8 and replace it with LM like with my other machines. Can anybody help with this empty E (NTFS) 300+ GB partition?
sudo parted -l
I have just had a chat with a Windows expert and he tells me that my allocated empty partition (created by my attempt to install LMint14 alongside Windows 8 IS THERE TO STAY!
azurehi wrote:I need new desktop and am considering one with windows 8. I have looked at the follow scheme several times and wonder whether it is correct. If so perhaps it can be of help to those desiring to dual boot with windows 8 and linux mint 14.
riki wrote:In conclusion, OEMs have manipulated the motherboard so that only Windows 8 can be installed.
Hanlon's Razor wrote:Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
srs5694 wrote:riki wrote:In conclusion, OEMs have manipulated the motherboard so that only Windows 8 can be installed.
This is true only of ARM-based computers that ship with Windows 8. Such systems are extremely rare, and they're mostly tablets and smartphones. On x86 and x86-64 systems that ship with Windows 8, Microsoft requires that the user be able to disable Secure Boot; and even if you want to leave Secure Boot enabled, you can do so and install Fedora 18 or Ubuntu 12.10 without changes, or other distributions if you're willing and knowledgeable enough to jump through some extra hoops.
Unfortunately, the BIOS-to-UEFI transition we're undergoing is not going smoothly. This fact has numerous causes, though, not the one or two (often conspiratorial) causes that too many people like to fixate upon. Contributing factors to problems include the following:
- Firmware bugs
- Secure Boot (or the fact that Secure Boot support is rare in Linux, depending on your point of view)
- Weak EFI support in many Linux distributions (Mint included)
- Inconsistent EFI user interfaces between products
- Poor user understanding of EFI
- Poor EFI documentation on the Web
- BIOS assumptions embedded in decades of documentation and user experience
Those last three could arguably be wrapped up into one bigger and more important cause of problems.
I don't claim this list is comprehensive, but one item that does not belong on the list is "conspiracy to exclude Linux." That item might be on Microsoft's to-do list, but it's not a significant factor in EFI as it's being handled today. I'd say it's important to keep Hanlon's Razor in mind:Hanlon's Razor wrote:Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
riki wrote:I am no expert but within my capabilities I have tried to install Ubuntu 13.04 and LM Nadia alongside Windows, within Windows by shrinking "C" and wiping Windows altogether
riki wrote:in Secure Boot and Legacy which as you know disables Secure Boot automatically.
srs5694 wrote:Many people make the mistake of conflating UEFI with Secure Boot. The latter is one feature of the former, and an optional one at that!
I asked for a number of clarifications and additional information, none of which you provided. If you can't be bothered to provide clarifying diagnostic information when others ask for it, you won't get much help!
riki wrote:I asked for a number of clarifications and additional information, none of which you provided. If you can't be bothered to provide clarifying diagnostic information when others ask for it, you won't get much help!
You've lost me there! I have reread your post and can't see anything about "clarifying diagnostic info". Asked where??? I'll read again tomorrow, it's getting late...
srs5694 wrote:I'm afraid this is inadequate detail to help you debug the problem. Most likely it's not related to EFI or Secure Boot, though. If you want help, you must report the exact wording of error messages. If it's verbose, cut-and-paste it into your post or include a screen shot.riki wrote:The LM14 DVD claimed half the 750GB HD leaving the other half to W8 but then a message came up on the screen saying that the installation could not go ahead because of something referring to the kernel.
srs5694 wrote:Without knowing the posts to which you refer I can't be positive, but I suspect you're referring to Secure Boot problems.riki wrote:After reading many posts re W8 new attempt to deny other OSs from installing on "their" machines,
srs5694 wrote:Not without more details. Try booting a Linux emergency disk and posting the output of:
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sudo parted -l
...or a screen shot of GParted acting on the disk in question.
riki wrote:Pointless trying to find a solution when there ain't one
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